Are the comments on this fluff piece ever going to end? 

 I mean, this has sparked a major analysis on the part of Barry.

 First it was fluff.  Then sal finds something redeeming about it.

 Barry agrees to look at it again, then launches into a more detailed 
dissertation, faulting, then not faulting the writer.

 Then discussing the existent or non existent Brothers of the Cult, (great for 
Halloween, huh)

 Then if the BOTC are real, what do you think they discuss.


---In, <turquoiseb@...> wrote :

 From: salyavin808 <>
 ---In, <mjackson74@...> wrote :

 One of the more interesting things in this piece is his reference to a private 
blog group called Cult Bros which is a group of people who grew up in the 

 "for many of my friends who have left, their relationship with home is a 
fraught one. Somewhere on the Internet there’s a listserv or private group blog 
called Cult Bros, where a group of Gen-Xers and Millennials who grew up in the 
Movement air their grievances. 


 I’m not a Cult Bros member myself, but I can anticipate their conversations — 
they’d be familiar to anyone who grew up in a community defined by certain 
dogma, religious or otherwise. 


 There’s the resentment of the years spent trying to be perfect little yogis, 
frustrations over growing up in what can be a very socially conservative 
environment, anger at the time and effort and money spent working toward the 
unattainable goal that is world peace with very little payoff. 


 There’s questioning of the traditions we grew up with, the means to this 
impossible end — the pujas, the mantras, the jai Guru Devs, the Golden Domes, 
the yogic flying. Questioning all of the Hindu mythology that’s wrapped up this 
thing we were told was not a religion. Like anyone from anywhere, the Cult Bros 
are trying to come to terms with their home."

 I had a search around but couldn't find them. 

 I thought a good bit of writing was his insight that yogic "flying" is the 
TMO's Xenu. 
I did go back and read the piece in spite of my resistance to it, and would 
agree, except that the guy doesn't explain what a "Xenu moment" is, or even 
what "Xenu" was about. YOU did that, below, and that is *inclusive* writing, 
inviting those who don't know and assume the same esoterica that you know into 
the conversation and including them. As he wrote it, it's *exclusive*, meaning 
that it's an "in joke" that he wrote for himself and its probable effect among 
other TM cultists. 

 Xenu being the Scientology creator god who enslaved a then extraterrestrial 
humanity a billion years ago and threw our souls into a volcano on Earth (or 
some such bollocks). The joke is that Scientologists spend decades working 
towards (and paying) for what is supposed to be the ultimate knowledge and is 
revealed to you only when you've proved yourself worthy enough.

 When you've reached these dizzy heights of acceptability you are taken into a 
room and shown this revealed Truth, written in Elrons own hand no less. A cheap 
sci-fi novel. Imagine how pissed off you'd be? But no, everyone is so caught up 
in the mind game that is cult beliefs that they accept it and even feel 
honoured. All their friends know and believe the great secret so why not? So 
much to lose if you pull out by then...

 I remember the first day of my TMSP course when I got the first sutra and 
found out that it wasn't some enigmatic sanskrit term but the word 
"friendliness". How pissed off was I? A lot. But I stayed and got the rest and 
practised them for ten years.

This is a good point, and I've brought it up before. Can you *believe* that 
there are still people on this forum who believe that the TMSP is an ancient 
technique once taught by Patanjali? They say this to strangers who have never 
learned it, just parroting the same sales pitches that worked on them, but more 
interestingly they say it to others who *have* learned the TM siddhis. And no 
one corrects them. Because it's easier to pretend that it's some esoteric, 
age-old knowledge that they paid thousands of dollars for than it is to admit 
that they paid all that money for a bunch of phrases in English (or their 
native language) that they could have gotten -- verbatim -- from a $4.95 
paperback version of the Yoga Sutras. (That, after all, is probably where 
*Maharishi* got the English phrases he sold for thousands of dollars.) 

The Xenu thang worked because the $cientologists wisely kept it hidden until 
the students were so far gone into the cult that they wouldn't freak out at how 
tacky this "final revelation" was. The TM movement similarly tried to keep the 
reality of what the TMSP really was secret by telling people "What we learn in 
private we keep private" and creating a kind of myth about the Bad Things that 
would happen to you if you revealed your mantra or (even worse) the 
oh-so-secret "flying sutra," which is just a load of bollocks about how light 
cotton fiber is. In English. 

That's the way it works. You, me and Xenu.
I still wish that this guy had written a somewhat ballsier piece, dealing with 
the real "meat" of the cognitive dissonance that his more honest Cult Bro 
friends are dealing with. A better article would have been less fluffy and less 
"Weren't we silly to believe this stuff?" An honest article would be more real, 
more along the lines of,"Weren't we absolutely INSANE to believe any of this 
stuff?" This fellow's "cult bro" friends seem more advanced that he does to me. 
They are comfortable using the more precise "C word" to describe what it is 
they were part of. He isn't. He's still trying to pretend it was just silly. 

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I couldn't read this piece because I couldn't get past the first paragraph. 
Whatever the author's intention in writing it is or was, his cluelessness in 
that first paragraph stopped me in my tracks, and kept me from reading any 

"I learned how to fly when I was 17. I’m not talking about a plane, and this 
isn’t some euphemism. 'Yogic flying,' which is basically meditation at the 
black-belt level, offers the potential of human levitation -- although in 
actuality it looks more like energetic, if not rather effortless, cross-legged 

This person (although his intention may have been to suggest the opposite) is 
IMO *still* suffering from the ill effects of growing up in an insane asylum. 
Bouncing around on one's butt and calling it 'yogic flying' is NOT 'meditation 
at the black belt level,' it's INSANITY at the black belt level. 

Try picking any town in America, walking along its streets, stopping people at 
random, and explaining to them, "I'm doing a survey. Twice a day I bounce 
around on my butt on big slabs of foam, along with other people who do the same 
thing because we are convinced that doing this will reduce crime, affect the 
weather, and create world peace. What do you think of this?"

My bet is that you would get answers like, "Uh...sounds fine to me...good luck 
with that..." spoken over the interviewee's shoulder as they were edging away, 
watching you carefully and hoping that you weren't following them so that they 
didn't have to break into a run.

See, this is the thing that makes interacting with long-term TMers on this 
forum so challenging -- they really have NO IDEA how insane they are, and how 
insane the things they believe are. 

For many of them, it seems as if it's been so long since they've actually 
talked with anyone who WASN'T indoctrinated with all of this cult nonsense they 
way they were that they've forgotten how these normal people think and act. 
They're used to interfacing with people who don't bat an eyelash when you 
announce to them, " to's time for me to go fly now." 

Hint: That's insane. No one is "flying." No one has EVER "flown" in *any* of 
the TM "flying" halls. And no one ever will. 

Most people, told that this would even be *possible*, would react with either 
laughter or derision, and walk away. TMSPers reacted by paying several thousand 
dollars to learn how. 

Hint: That's insane. 

And it's as insane now as it was when you first paid those thousands of 
dollars. The only reason people on this forum and around you in Fairfield don't 
think so is that you live in an enormous insane asylum, in which the residents 
are reinforcing their shared delusions by pretending that they're "saving the 
world" instead of acting out less-than-sane fantasies. 

Some of these inmates who post to this forum get upset when I or Michael or 
Salyavin or Curtis point out HOW far away from mainstream definitions of sanity 
they are to believe that there actually IS such a thing as the 'Maharishi 
Effect.' I imagine that inmates in mental hospitals feel the same way when 
doctors and nurses point out that they're not *really* Napoleon or Jesus 

To these people I say, "GET OVER IT." Wake the fuck up, take a look around at 
international standards for sanity, shake yourself, and realize that if you 
actually believe that bouncing on your butt can be called 'flying' and that 
performing this bouncing is creating world're INSANE. You're 
NOT "special" or "more evolved" or "10,000 X more powerful than lesser people," 
you're INSANE. 

It's OK to *be* insane, if your insane beliefs give you some sense of comfort 
and don't hurt anybody. After all, millions of people believe in an invisible 
man in the sky who watches everything they do, and as long as they don't get in 
other people's faces about it, they can be that insane and still be considered 
productive members of society. 

But ferchrissakes don't pretend that the things you believe AREN'T insane, and 
don't pretend to be outraged because other people point out the insanity. You 
CHOSE to be considered insane the moment you signed that check and paid 
thousands of dollars to learn how to 'fly.' Live with that choice now, and try 
not to pretend that you're still sane after having made it. Having made that 
choice makes you an outlier, an anomaly within human society. A nut case. 


It's not. And no amount of claiming will ever make it so. 





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