---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fleetwood_macncheese@...> wrote :
I don't get it? No, Curtis, I get it, EXACTLY. M: No you obviously don't. The guys trademark was his gift of gab. He was the giggling guru to the press. He could charm the pants off of any skeptical reporter with witty repartee. I watched him deal with the press in person and on tape approximately 2,458 hours. He was so good at it he taught his teachers how to be good at it. He NEVER dealt with a question on the level of the question. I could have read a transcript of this interaction and see the guy was in over his head. Reporter (set up by Bevan's idiotic statement that he believed Maharishi could fly): Can you fly Maharishi? Young Maharishi: Giggles, giggles,giggles, flying is the birthright of every man. Every man and woman must fly up to their highest potential, and it is so easy. Just a few minutes morning and evening and everyone will be flying so high that the world will experience peace and enlightenment for thousands of years to come. Reporter follow-up not realizing who he is dealing with: I am asking if YOU can fly Maharishi. Fighting form Maharishi with his warm up towel around his head, dancing in the ring on his tip toes while shadow boxing with golden gloves on: M: (Now hysterically laughing) What I can do is not the message. My message is what everyone in the world can do, fly up to perfect health, full mental potential, and world peace. We don't teach in terms of what one man can do, we think for the whole world. And the whole world needs to fly up to transcendental meditation morning and evening and we will have a better world and the world's problems will fly away. (Now he is squirting lassie out of his nose laughing while almost falling off the couch.) Old Mr. Wilson (Dennis the Menace reference) Maharishi (screeching): Why are you wasting my time. I don't have time. My time is short and I don't have much of it. Who knows what time it is. Does anybody really know what time it is? (Chicago reference) Take him away, throw him in the dungeons. Guards, guards, where are my WYMS? Are we in Seelisberg? Who stole my hair? and scene. I saw him physically fail through the years. OK, he has a body. I saw them wheel him out for puja where he looked blind and very confused. But this interview for someone who knows the guy as well as any teacher was a complete contradiction to the field of consciousness being at the ground of creation and beyond the physical. He was just another old guy, too confused to be out in public and sadly unable to handle questions. Handling questions was his life. So it just strikes me that as much as they tried to keep him under wraps, he was his own counter evidence in the end. J: Why not just go kick a dog next time, M: Because I don't want to hurt a living thing. Maharishi was a public figure, he made a fortune on selling perfect health and full mental potential, and he is dead Jim. J: or ruminate on your less than spectacular success? What a loser. M: The tourettes troll twin. Your fantasy of how I am doing is not a substitute for reasoned argument Mr. spectacular success guy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fleetwood_macncheese@...> wrote : His health suffered, but this inflammatory nonsense from Curtis, is just that. M: You don't get it because you were never around the guy. His diminished capacity was a shock to me. Trying to label it inflammatory nonsense doesn't make the problem go away. It isn't his poor health I am commenting on, it is his mental health. The guy was whipped. His brain was whipped. If his consciousness was independent from his brain functioning this should not be the case. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fleetwood_macncheese@...> wrote : "What struck me because I have spent quite a bit of time around old people in the last few years and it seemed obvious that Maharishi was clearly suffering from the diminished capacity of age and very likely dementia. He was not well." Um, have you ever actually spent hours at a time with each resident of a nursing home, as in worked there, changing diapers, serving meals, doing bed checks? I have, and the thing that clearly distinguishes Maharishi's response, from that of someone suffering from dementia, is that Maharishi, despite some irritability, retains his focus. The same cannot be said of nursing home patients, with dementia. I don't think he retained any focus, it was awful to watch from my seat. He was rambling a lot in the last few years, and repeating himself. Not to mention making less sense than usual (I never thought he was much of a speaker) and his hands were shaking a lot too. The responses to this among my fellow workers at the academy were many and various. Denial that there was anything wrong was the principle one, beliefs that the amount of stress in the world has wearing him out (or similar attempts to fit it into the "knowledge" so that it wasn't a problem) came a close second. And a few were shocked but didn't say anything as any health problems would contradict everything he'd been telling everyone his whole life. I was angry, because I honestly thought that someone in his condition should not be allowed to appear like that in public without help or any sort of explanation, what were they thinking over in Vlodrop? I thought he should just be propped up in bed on a silk pillow with a big box of chocolates. Forced retirement and let the devotees run it on their own. Quite a stretch, from you, with a little cherry-picked "evidence" as garnish. Seems very similar to the sort of things you have been accusing Nabby of lately, doesn't it? I guess fairness only counts, when *you* are the target. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote : I was struck by the posted interview between the Aussie and the Maharishi through closed circuit TV where Maharishi was unable to field a question about whether or not he could actually fly by going into "you kids get off of my lawn" mode. What struck me because I have spent quite a bit of time around old people in the last few years and it seemed obvious that Maharishi was clearly suffering from the diminished capacity of age and very likely dementia. He was not well. This observation only matters because at the heart of a lot of the premises in TM is that the state of consciousness in enlightenment transcends the functioning of the brain. This is the premise on which we have claims about witnessing deep sleep for example, and all the conjectural nonsense surrounding what happens after a "conscious" enlightened death. It is stated in different ways as a premise underneath many claims about how a person functions in enlightenment. We saw Maharishi, who in his salad days would have gigglingly swatted away such a direct question calling him on an outrageous claim, completely flummoxed and left with a broom in his hand chasing the local scamps out of his rutabaga patch. How can it be that "consciousness development" can have an effect on the person after their brain stops functioning and rots, when it couldn't even weather the storm of old age for the supposedly most developed person, Maharishi himself? Apparently consciousness development has the same impact as imagination development when it comes to being able to resist the ravages of age. Brain functioning trumps all imagination of it being otherwise. And the difference between Maharishi in old age and my own father can only be seen clearly in the zeros in their bank accounts.