--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > This, if a continuing trend, would signal a trend in the
> > (long-anticipated) rise of long term bond rates -- the "solution" to
> > the conundrum Fed Chariman Greenspan has been commenting on for
some time - the flattening of the yield cure -- the rise in short term
rates (that the Fed can highly influence) while long-term rates (upon
-- which fixed mortgage rates are based -- and the periodic 
adjustment in ARMS are pegged) are flat or declining    
> > 
> > Steadily rising mortgage rates may be trigger for housing price
> > deflation --- (the bursting of the housing bubble) given that it
has contorted itself to such unsustainable levels. >>
> and most have a cap of how much they can rise 
> above the initial rate. So if you have an 8% rate then, under the 
> worst case scenario, your rate would go to 14% and that would be the 
> highest allowed by law. Therefore the mortgage rate increase is not
as dire as people think. It is not like your rate could go up to 20%
or  30% or something. Are you aware of this?

No one is predicting 30% rates. But do you realize what an additional
6 % points would do to the housing market? (btw, my experience with
ARMS is the lifetime cap is higher than 6%, but lets use your figures.)

Current rates are approaching 6%. So lets look at buying a house with
an arm at 6%, and then what happens in 3 years if they rise to 12%.
Both to the buyer, and the whole housing maket.

Lets assume 20% down, and  the buyer maxes out the % of income lenders
wil usually allow for a mortgage, 30%. So a bloke making 96k a year,
could afford a 500,000 house, if he ponied up 100k down. Monthly
payments would be just short of $2400/month. 28,800 annually. Thats
30% of his pre-tax income.

Now if his ARM goes to 12%, his payments become 4,114 a month and  
49,373. per year. Thats now 51% of his income. A pretty big chunk. If
taxes after deductions average about 24%, and he puts 10% in a 401k,
then he has about 15% of his income 1 in 6 dollars to buy food, car,
clothes, vacations, additional health, entertainment, etc. A bit of a

If the ARMS lifetime cap were 9% -- more real world I believe than 6%,
then 63% of income goes to house payments. After taxes and 401k, he
has 3% of gross income to spend on  food, car, clothes, vacations,
additional health, entertainment, etc.

But the news gets much worse . When he bought his house, people in his
income range could afford a 500k house, with 20% down. If interest
rates rose by 6% points, the same range buyers could only afford a
290k house -- a 42% drop. And the same happens to all ranged of buyers. 

Suddenly, buyers can only afford and qualify for 58% of the cost of a
house they could three years before. Thus, they bid at their max.
Sellers begin to lower prices to match demand and in time, prices of
comps for the blokes 500 k house are now in the $290 range. If he
sells, he loses his down payment, plus owes the lender $110k extra.
Well, he could walk away you say. Sure. And ruin his credit. And he
would still lose his 100 k down. And the lender would forgive the
remaining loan of 110k after it forclosed. But the IRS counts that as
income and the guy would pay taxes on that 110k.

And long term rates that new buyers face are not capped. So if they
rose 9 % points over todays  rate, buyers would be able to buy only
about 47% of the price of a house they could when rates were at 6%.
The market corrects, and prices approach 50% of their former recent

And markets may overcorrect, as people are forced to dump property.
Thus prices could even go down further. And all this just from a jump
in interest rates.

But since the economy has been fueled by spending from home equity
loans based on recent appreciation, and construction spending, this
would halt suddenly if housing prices drop. The economy could go into
a sharp recession. Employment rates would fall. Thus there would be
less buyers than before -- driving prices even lower. 

So the art 

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