But in any case, the means leads to the end, regardless of moral 
considerations. Exactly how does one discover what a 'moral consideration' is? 
The laws of nature, assuming they exists as we conceive them, do not allow 
tampering, therefore what happens is always in accord with natural law, and 
thus if a person commits suicide, it is in accord with natural law. If they do 
not, it is still in accord with natural law. Therefore 'moral consideration' is 
simply a mental fantasy tacked onto the memory of an event that was post hoc 
impossible to prevent, as natural law allowed it to happen. Things happen, 
people react in various ways, but that reaction does not change what happened. 

 Sociopaths and psychopaths do not have a conscience so they have no ability to 
function according to a moral code of conduct. They can pretend they do, but 
inside, so they say, they simply do not have this characteristic. Most humans 
do have some hard wiring potential that leads to what some would call ethical 
or moral behaviour, but as it is hard wired, the ethical or moral designation 
is an after the fact interpretation of that behaviour, it does not work the 
other way around. There are certain things we care about, and we want to 
protect those things, and our behaviour centres around that.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <jr_esq@...> wrote :


 The correct answer is that one should follow one's conscience to the best of 
his or her ability.  But one should follow the principle that the end does not 
justify the means.  IMO, ending one's own life through suicide is not following 
the principle above.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :

 John, I'm not sure that suicide is always in violation of natural law. What 
makes you think that?

 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 4:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?

 I sympathize with your step Dad's suffering.  My mother also had a very 
painful and difficult death.  It is not easy to follow a moral act and, as 
humans, we should be able to make such choices.  But one has to be mindful of 
performing acts that do not violate natural laws.

 If we violate natural laws, IMO the law of karma will take effect and could 
detrimentally affect our families and society that allow violence or suicide to 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :

 John, when I think about how awful were the last 3 years of my step Dad's 
life, and more than once he expressed the wish to be dead, I think suicide is 
sometimes the right thing to do. I think unnecessary suffering is morally 
 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 3:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?

 You've raised a good question.  But it is considered a higher principle that 
the end does not justify the means.  In other words, one must act licitly to 
make a moral act.  You cannot kill another person or group of persons in order 
to obtain political power--which we can see the evil effects that are happening 
in Iraq and Syria.  Similarly, the same principle applies to taking one's own 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote :

 If you were suffering from terminal brain cancer would you really want to see 
it through to the end as your mind, vision, hearing went away?
 On 11/04/2014 10:36 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
   A woman just committed suicide with the aid of doctors in Oregon.  Is this 
justifiable in your own thinking?
 Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicked'
 Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicke... A senior Vatican official 
has condemned as "wicked" the assisted suicide of Brittany Maynard, an American 
woman suffering from terminal brain cancer. &...

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