But in any case, the means leads to the end, regardless of moral considerations. Exactly how does one discover what a 'moral consideration' is? The laws of nature, assuming they exists as we conceive them, do not allow tampering, therefore what happens is always in accord with natural law, and thus if a person commits suicide, it is in accord with natural law. If they do not, it is still in accord with natural law. Therefore 'moral consideration' is simply a mental fantasy tacked onto the memory of an event that was post hoc impossible to prevent, as natural law allowed it to happen. Things happen, people react in various ways, but that reaction does not change what happened.
Sociopaths and psychopaths do not have a conscience so they have no ability to function according to a moral code of conduct. They can pretend they do, but inside, so they say, they simply do not have this characteristic. Most humans do have some hard wiring potential that leads to what some would call ethical or moral behaviour, but as it is hard wired, the ethical or moral designation is an after the fact interpretation of that behaviour, it does not work the other way around. There are certain things we care about, and we want to protect those things, and our behaviour centres around that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <jr_esq@...> wrote : Share, The correct answer is that one should follow one's conscience to the best of his or her ability. But one should follow the principle that the end does not justify the means. IMO, ending one's own life through suicide is not following the principle above. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote : John, I'm not sure that suicide is always in violation of natural law. What makes you think that? From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide? Share, I sympathize with your step Dad's suffering. My mother also had a very painful and difficult death. It is not easy to follow a moral act and, as humans, we should be able to make such choices. But one has to be mindful of performing acts that do not violate natural laws. If we violate natural laws, IMO the law of karma will take effect and could detrimentally affect our families and society that allow violence or suicide to occur. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote : John, when I think about how awful were the last 3 years of my step Dad's life, and more than once he expressed the wish to be dead, I think suicide is sometimes the right thing to do. I think unnecessary suffering is morally wrong. From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide? Bhairitu, You've raised a good question. But it is considered a higher principle that the end does not justify the means. In other words, one must act licitly to make a moral act. You cannot kill another person or group of persons in order to obtain political power--which we can see the evil effects that are happening in Iraq and Syria. Similarly, the same principle applies to taking one's own life. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote : If you were suffering from terminal brain cancer would you really want to see it through to the end as your mind, vision, hearing went away? On 11/04/2014 10:36 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: A woman just committed suicide with the aid of doctors in Oregon. Is this justifiable in your own thinking? Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicked' http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-thinker-brands-us-womans-suicide-wicked-155629813.html Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicke... A senior Vatican official has condemned as "wicked" the assisted suicide of Brittany Maynard, an American woman suffering from terminal brain cancer. &... View on news.yahoo.com Preview by Yahoo