Ah yes.... this would explain people with pear shaped bodies as opposed to 
apple shaped bodies.
      From: "Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?
   
    Bhairitu, I heard that if a person commits suicide, they come back as a 
fruit tree. I am not making this up.

 

     From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 2:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?
   
     Didn't Maharishi say that if you die on drugs you come back as a rock?  I 
think Frank Zappa wrote a song about it.
 
 "Wristcutters" was the movie I was thinking of:
 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0477139/
 
 The hospital bill would kill anyone off.
 
 On 11/06/2014 12:26 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  


    Bhairitu, 
  From what I understand, most terminal patients are heavily drugged by 
hospitals and hospices that they don't feel any pain.  They eventually die by 
the disease itself or related causes. 
  
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote :
 
  I recall Charlie Lutes take on the subject that though suicide is frowned on 
in the yogic traditions  he could see doing when facing prolonged agony like 
from a slow death by cancer.  In the eastern traditions including Buddhism they 
believe that if you commit suicide you get stuck in some  "middle world". 
 
 The published suicide mantra is of the maran class and is also an Agni mantra.
 
 On 11/06/2014 04:27 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
     John and turq, what got me rethinking all this is that idea of life full 
of possibilities to enjoy. Is it healthy to give up on that? Is it honoring, 
turq of life itself to  give up on the possibility of joy and love? And turq, 
is not suicide also often driven by FEAR? Since  you're using presence of fear 
as a measuring stick.
  
  At this moment I'm thinking that what's healthiest is to act from a place of 
embodied settledness rather than fear. And we can't really predict what action 
might thus  result. And can we really legislate about people's states of 
being?! 
   
      From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?
  
         Inother words, it's a Big  Invisible Daddy In The Sky thang, Share. If 
 you do something He don't like, He slap yo ass.  :-) 
  JohnR's position on all of this is  just a retread of that same old familiar 
F E A  R that has driven religious  thought for centuries: "'Morality'  
consists of doing what *we* say to do during  your life so that Bad Things  
don't happen to you after your death." 
  
  
 
        From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014  11:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is  it Moral to Commit Suicide?
  
        Share, 
  Taking one's own life is  similar to killing another  person.  In both cases, 
a life,  that is full of possibilities  to perform good and to enjoy life, has 
been  taken away and denied.  The act of killing  oneself or another person is  
against Nature's functioning, which is to create  life and to promote joy  in 
existence. 
  The violation of natural law  will have consequences  or bad karma in 
yourself, the family or the  environment.  The following adage would apply:  
you reap what you sow. 
  
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :
 
  John, I don't see how the principle of ends not justifying  means fits in 
this situation. The person is taking their own life, probably to avoid 
unnecessary suffering. What is  morally wrong about that, in your view?
  
      From: "jr_esq@...[FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 8:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife]Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?
  
       Share, 
  Thecorrect answer is that one should follow one's conscience to  the best of 
his or her ability.  But one should follow the principle that the end does not 
justify  the means.  IMO, ending one's own life through suicide is not 
following the principle  above. 
  
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :
 
 John,I'm not sure that suicide is always in violation of natural law.  What 
makes you think that?
 
  
      From: "jr_esq@...[FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 4:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife]Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?
  
       Share, 
  I sympathize with your step Dad's suffering.  My mother also had a very 
painful and difficult death.  It is not easy to follow a moral act and, as 
humans, we should be able  to make such choices.  But one has to be mindful of 
performing acts that do not violate  natural laws. 
  Ifwe violate natural laws, IMO the law of karma will take effect  and could 
detrimentally affect our families and society that  allow violence or suicide 
to occur.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :
 
 John,when I think about how awful were the last 3 years of my step  Dad's 
life, and more than once he expressed the wish to be  dead, I think suicide is 
sometimes the right thing to do. I think unnecessary  suffering is morally 
wrong. 
      From: "jr_esq@...[FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 3:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife]Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?
  
       Bhairitu, 
  You'veraised a good question.  But it is considered a higher principle that 
the end does  not justify the means.  In other words, one must act licitly to 
make a moral act.  You cannot kill another person or group of persons in order 
to  obtain political power--which we can see the evil effects that are 
happening in Iraq and Syria.  Similarly, the same principle applies to taking 
one's own life.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote :
 
  Ifyou were suffering from terminal brain cancer would you  really want to see 
it through to the end as your mind, vision, hearing went away?
 
 
 
 
  
 On 11/04/2014 10:36 AM, jr_esq@...[FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
 
 
 
  
    A woman just committed suicide with the aid of doctors in  Oregon.  Is this 
justifiable in your own thinking? 
  Vaticanthinkerbrands US woman's suicide 'wicked'
   
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