Some good advice in here for guru chasers. Better to just do it as 
much as possible on your own instead though. Or put another way, 
seek help as quietly and as subtly as possible. It avoids much of 
the confusion when the goal is reached.

--- In, Rick Archer 
> *** Swami G has a website:
> a timely offering
> on this ongoing subject)
> * Next question: If a disciple goes astray and then comes
> back to you and asks for forgiveness, is this almost always,
> always or rarely granted?
> g: depends ....... if they have taken Diksha elsewhere then No
> --- the bond is broken ..... other situations are case by case ....
> * I am starting to run into a dilemma by the minute. I
> have all my travel plans for India but I think I am getting talked
> out of it as I continue to ask you questions.
> G: while india may hold a lot of allure ---- it is Not the sole
> place where an authentic Guru may be found.......
> * When you say Diksha, there must be a vast difference and
> degree of it according to circumstances. For example, Kalki
> Bhagwan has his disciples or even I think students that are not
> full blown disciples give Diksha. He also has Diksha going on
> in his ashram. A Diksha giver that I met in New York said it is
> much more powerful at the ashram.
> G: yes -----
> * It is explained in Kalki Bhagawan's site that his dasaJi's
> give the Diksha because if he did it, it would be too
> overpowering.
> G: i say that is total balderdash ...... he is just to lazy to
> take on that mantle ....... therefore it is being taken over by
> others so he can put his energies elsewhere .......
> WHY do guru's promote such crap ? that it would be just to
> overpowering IF he gave Diksha directly .......
> sorry i can't nor won't promote such a statement as being
> anyway valid.....
> * Would you give one of your disciples permission to take
> Diksha elsewhere?
> G: absolutely Not .......
> you cannot walk two paths --- under two Guru's at one time.......
> i don't have the time nor inclination to continually undo the
> confusion that takes place when that happens ........ Before
> taking Diksha sadhakas should decide on One path ......
> * What if one of your disciples took Darshan from mother
> Meera, for example-she touches your head, and looks at you.
> G: Darshan is different than Diksha ......
> Diksha is transmitting some of the Guru's energy to awakening
> or stabalizing your Kundalini ----- it is also a Commitment
> like getting married ...... you don't go to the altar and enter 
into a
> marriage with more than one person at a time .... Diksha is
> almost like getting married and yet it is even a deeper
> commitment ...... the Guru is making a commitment to Guide
> you for the whole of this life and even beyond if needed ..... Why
> should Any authentic Guru commit to such a thing with a
> sadhaka who prefers to not honor such a relationship .???.....
> Do you think it is ok to chase prostitutes and dishonor your wife ?
> perhaps a prostitute may give you a moment of joy but then you
> take the risk of picking up a disease ...... so what is better ?
> to chase prostitutes or to have a pure marriage with one that
> cares for your welfare ???
> this isn't like signing up for a new course ..... a new college
> class...... Unfortunately this is how sadhakas are viewing Diksha
> and entering a path ......... oh it's just another type of learning
> and more is better .......
> No it isn't ..... not when it comes to walking through a Kundalini
> path .......
> * Or for example, I went to this center in NY, and then when
> the lady asked me to meditate with her mantra or chant, I
> explained that I already have my meditation technique so I
> will do that instead.
> G: this would be the correct way to handle it ......
> * Are these sort of undertakings enough for you to part with a
> disciple? If so, then isn't it an individual consideration for each
> Guru based on his style, to determine which punishment fits
> which crime (so to speak)?
> G: there is no *punishment* ....... the Guru will either work with
> you ------ or when the bond has been breached on Purpose then
> Why in the world does the Guru owe you anything ?
> Sort of like if you have a husband that is carrying on an affair or
> running after prostitutes.... Why in the world should the wife
> continue to honor a commitment with her whole heart when it is
> clear that this Trust has been broken ...... this relationship has
> been severed on the energetic and heart levels by his actions .....
> Can you understand it better by this analogy ? it is not an ego
> thing on the part of the Guru ...... it is a full on Commitment to
> aide you within your journey ..... the Guru is offering you the way
> to find the Pearl of Great Price ........ they are offering their 
> expertise , energy , hearts commitment , support , a stabilizing
> influence , clarity which you yet do not posses .....
> Now what are you offering in return ???
> to listen on occasion when you feel like it ? and then to run here
> and there seeing what else you can go play at ?
> Why oh Why would an authentic Guru continue to offer a precious
> chance at liberation to one who has only eyes for his wayward
> life ?? it is Amazing to see people expecting Guru's to jump
> through their hoops .....
> What in the world do you think is so enticing about accepting
> sadhakas ?
> what great boon as a sadhaka are you offering that any Guru
> should be salivating after ????
> Authentic Guru's offer this path out of Compassion .......
> Nothing has been offered that may be bought ..... there is not
> enough money in the world to purchase true Liberation ..... you
> cannot Buy Realization it is a Grace that takes place ....... to 
> any price tag on this is to cheapen it ...... and This Guru is not 
> cheap whore ..... Neither will this Guru continue to beg
> sadhakas to accept what is to Their benefit .......
> what was it Christ said ? My God - my God how long must i
> suffer this faithless generation ....... "
> indeed how long ?
> Guru's that are selling courses and infor. have left being
> authentic Gurus and have sold out ...... they are now
> merchandisers ----- just another buisness with a spiritual flavor
> ........ yet they are So attractive ----- bigger names --- hawking
> bigger stories ...... it makes authentic Guru's want to cry when
> the Glitz is being confused with what is real ...... oh but this 
> has bigger claims or they tell a good joke and are entertaining
> ---- like Osho .... Wow follow your bliss ------ or the next
> proclaimed avatar ...... showmanship sells .....
> why do people continue to chase wolves in sheeps clothing ?
> is it because the costumes and masks are playing into peoples
> Imaginations of how it Should look ? how it should sound ?
> This is Kaliyuga -------
> are there NONE that have eyes to see ? how blind is this
> generation ?
> maha shanti om

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