All good questions, Buck, and I don't have "easy answers." But if you want my 
opinion, it was a *combination* of nature and nurture, catering to *exactly* 
that desire for "easy answers." 


Weak-minded people with no discrimination wanted to believe something -- 
anything -- that would 1) make them feel more self-important and at the "center 
of the universe," and 2) give them some "easy answer" to glom onto so they 
could believe they had "THE" answer and stop being curious or having to think 
for themselves.

Almost no teacher in human history has specialized in giving "easy answers" to 
hard questions more than MMY. It was his stock in trade. His "teachings" were 
almost ALL "thought stoppers," in that their *purpose* was to convince those 
hearing them that they Maharishi "knew" the "truth" and that if they as 
students just believed the things he said thoroughly they'd "know" the "truth," 
too. 


Unfortunately, Maharishi didn't really know much of anything, so those who 
settled for the "easy answers" he gave them *still* don't know much of 
anything, to this day.  


Even more unfortunately, IMO what being trained to accept Maharishi's easy 
answer thought stoppers without question has trained generations of his 
followers to do is to accept almost *anybody's* easy answer thought stoppers. 


That Share's modus operandi. Somebody tells her something, and she just 
believes it. End of story. 

And that makes her the perfect victim for these New Age charlatans she flocks 
to. They, like MMY, specialize in *providing* easy answer thought stoppers. 
That's why they all make sure to go to Fairfield on their "teaching tours." 
Fairfield provides an endless supply of Gullible Idiots With Money They're 
Willing To Spend On Any Charlatan Who Comes To Town. 


As for the ethics of all of this, IMO that was also fucked up by Maharishi, who 
established from Day One of his "teachings" that *anything* he taught HAD TO 
COST MONEY. And the "more important" or "more valuable" teachings cost MORE 
money. He *trained* people to believe that pretty much *everything* in the 
world of spiritual practice *HAD* to cost money or it wasn't worth anything. 


So what happens when a bunch of people who have bought into this for decades 
then want to attempt teaching themselves do so? Duh. THEY CHARGE MONEY, and 
lots of it. THAT, after all, is what they learned from Maharishi. 


Having made this decision and set out upon a path based on this "making money 
is the real objective of teaching, and the more of it we make the better" 
ethos, these people are *by definition* unethical. 



________________________________
 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
 


  
Contrary
to what New Age Woo Woo Blissninnies think, having a "trusting"
mind is NOT the same thing as having a well-functioning mind. 
:- 

These chicken soup people all being
former TM people, did they learn this kind of ethical performance in
TM?  Some of them went on to be big in Art of Living.  Is their
ethical behavior and code because TM produces or at least condoned
this kind of thinking or that TM attracted people with this kind of
learned behavior/mind otherwise?  Were the ethics of the TM
generation in nature or nurtured?
-Buck

turquoiseb@...> wrote :


Based on my one-time, five-minute meeting with her, I'm sure your assessment of 
Ms. Shimoff is correct, Feste. Especially the "good at promoting herself" bit. 
That's what put me off her in the first place -- I have an almost instant 
aversion to anyone who is actively trying to sell me a "story" about 
themselves, and her "story" was so obviously false that I just got up and 
walked away. It's the exact same vibe I got from Barbara De Angelis, except 
that her "story" was worse because she was trying to push out that she was an 
irresistible sexpot, when in fact I found her a complete turnoff. 


I was just giving Share a hard time because in her button-pushed desire to have 
a "Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Barry" moment here on FFL, she did what 
she always does and repeated something told to her as if it were Absolute Truth 
when in fact she'd just accepted it without question the first time she heard 
it, and never bothered to check on the validity of it. 


This struck me as such a perfect personification of the "Dumb Souls" who are 
the audience for these "Chicken Soup" books that I had to point out to her 
exactly *how* dumb she was being. Contrary to what New Age Woo Woo Blissninnies 
think, having a "trusting" mind is NOT the same thing as having a 
well-functioning mind.  :-)



________________________________
 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls



 
I'm sure Marci did a lot of hard work on all the Chicken Soup books that appear 
with her name on the cover, but actually writing the stories was not part of 
it. Marci is a go-getter, a businesswoman—and a good one at that—who knows how 
to market books and promote herself. Writing is not really her thing. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :


Does that mean that Marci did the hard work for the various Chicken Soup books 
she co-authored?  Because on most of them, she's listed last.

My guess is Kline was happy with the arrangement as she later co authored Love 
For No Reason. Plus she wrote several Chicken Soup books herself, mostly about 
pets.



________________________________
 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls



 
I'm pretty sure that Marci didn't really write Happy for No Reason. The book 
cover reads "Marci Shimoff, with Carol Kline," which is kind of publisher's 
code for saying that Carol actually wrote the book. But for marketing purposes, 
Marci is considered "the name," so she gets the main credit. I have no doubt 
that Marci had a lot of input regarding what she wanted to say, and in that 
sense the book is a collaboration, but the hard work of actually writing it was 
done by Kline.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :


OTOH, Marci also co-authored 2 other bestsellers: Happy For No Reason and Love 
For No Reason.



________________________________
 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls



 
Exactly, Feste. That's what originally set my teeth on edge during the few 
minutes I spent with Marci Shimoff. She was bragging about being a "bestselling 
author" and I asked what exactly she had *done* on the one book (at the time) 
she had "written." Answer? She had made a few taped interviews and then edited 
some of the transcriptions that some flunky had made of them. 

I hadn't realized until this subject came up that she was also one of the 
driving personalities behind one of the biggest and
most-psychologically-destructive scams ever, "The Secret." I feel icky just 
writing about her, so I think I'll stop now.





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 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls



 
I've always found it irritating when the people whose names appear on the 
covers of Chicken Soup books claim to be New York Times best-selling authors. 
These people do not even write the books. At best they are editors and 
compilers of collections of stories written by other people. I don't believe 
that Marci ever wrote a word of the Chicken Soup books that bear her name. 



---In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote :


OK, thanks for making your position clear. You "trust" these people, so you will
continue to pass along something you now know to be untrue because of your 
"positive impression." You ARE in on the deception with them. 


Thanks for clarifying. I think we're done here... 



________________________________
 From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls



 
turq, it's simple: I know the 2 people personally and trust them. And in that 
moment, on that call, I felt no intention to deceive from either of them. 
That's why I didn't check what was said. And I stand by the positive impression 
that I had. 





________________________________
 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls



 
What's wrong with saying, "I
was WRONG? Marci Shimoff is NOT 'the bestselling female nonfiction author of 
all time,' even though (given your own story, Share) she clearly intentionally 
allowed her friend to give me and a group of people that impression."

THAT, at least, would be honest of you. To continue evading any responsibility 
for repeating this fiction...uh...tends to convey the impression that you're in 
on the deception
yourself.

As for 'just repeating what you thought was true," several people have called 
you
over the years here on FFL on your tendency to do that WITHOUT CHECKING TO SEE 
WHETHER WHAT YOU'RE REPEATING AS TRUTH REALLY WAS. You do this over and over 
and over and over, with everything from repeating scare stories about Ebola 
that aren't true to recommending health care people who are proven quacks. 


Do you really NOT feel that when you repeat
something you
are presenting as truth you owe the people you're talking to a little effort to 
*find out if it's true* first?

I'm pointing this out because it's part of a PATTERN among these ex-TMers who 
went on to become New Age gurus . John Gray and Barbara De Angelis presented 
themselves as Ph.Ds to further their Woo Woo careers *after buying those 
"degrees" from a paper mill on
the Internet*. Do you think that might be construed as a 
little...uh...dishonest? Marci Shimoff clearly believes it's OK to allow one of 
her co-presenters to LIE about the extent of her book sales during one of her 
classes. Do you think there might be a little something "off" ethically about 
*that*? 


And YOU, rather than just saying, "OK, I was really stupid. I just repeated 
something that someone told me as truth without ever checking to see it was 
true," you're bobbing and weaving and trying not to take any responsibility for 
it. "Your conscience is clear" because you repeated some things that you 
thought were true without doing *anything* to determine whether they *were* 
true? What's up with that?


Why should we assume that you're not exhibiting this same pattern of 
intentional deception that the other three people I mention are exhibiting? 
Seems to me that if it looks like a duck and waddles like a duck, chances are 
it's a duck. 

 




________________________________
 From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate
Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls



 
turq, my conscience is clear: I repeated what I thought was true. I now assume 
the friend didn't have the exact details and was being enthusiastic. I now 
assume the author was being gracious about her friend's enthusiasm. I'm 
assuming the best. Why not?





________________________________
 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls



 
So all *three* of you lied, or
have no regard whatsoever for the truth. Good to know. 





________________________________
 From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Sunday,
November 9, 2014 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls



 
I repeated something about Marci that was said by one of her best friends 
during a teleclass they were co-hosting. Marci did not correct her so I assumed 
it was true. 





________________________________
 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls



 
Still, you lied. Deal with it. 





________________________________
 From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Sunday, November
9, 2014 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls



 
Nope turq, I heard it from one of Marci's best friends and co hostess during a 
teleclass. Neither one of them are associated with TM any more. And I own no 
chicken soup books!





________________________________
 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls



 
So you're trying to make the point that the world has terrible taste in 
non-fiction? That's not
news. Me, I'll stick with "awful,
mawkish, obvious, painful, unbearable, unenjoyable, and scarring" and "a 
noxious sludge of sentimental woo-woo."  :-)

Besides, a quick scan of this page 
http://www.abebooks.com/blog/index.php/2014/01/17/the-75-greatest-living-female-authors/
 reveals that Marci Shimoff's name does not appear on
it anywhere. The list *does* comprise both fiction and non-fiction, but there 
are at least 7 female authors on the list who write non-fiction, none of them 
Marci Shimoff. 


I suspect you have
done your usual thing and have chosen to believe "marketing fiction" created by 
Shimoff's publisher and accept it as if it were true. It isn't. Marci Shimoff 
doesn't even have her own Wikipedia page, something one might have expected if 
what you claim about her book sales were true. 


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