"I don't think of CC as enlightened...". Yes, kind of a grand experiment going on these days - The old descriptions of enlightenment, based on cognition, and perfection of the sidhis, by those living a monastic lifestyle, needs to be updated. As critical and necessary, as the vast knowledge encompassed by the Veda, and the science of Yoga, is, so too, is the necessity to merge such a delicate and powerful science, with everyday life, how most of us live. Unlike those great saints who dwelt in caves, investing silence, into silence, our investments in the world, as householders, are all about people, and relationships. CC is a great benchmark, but being surrounded by relationships with others, UC becomes a requirement, a means to make life easier, the unlocking and fulfillment of Maharishi's goal of world peace, begun at the level of the individual (CC), but finding its joy in perfect relationships, with everyone (UC). Thanks for bringing that up - I've been thinking off and on, about what enlightenment means, if we aren't focused on cognizing the Veda, and perfecting the sidhis, in a cave. I think it means having perfect relationships with ourselves, and those around us, sentient or not. Conversely, these days, expanding the consciousness to CC, means very little, if we cannot fulfill our role in the world around us. PS This is what I meant a few months ago, when I wrote, "UC sucks" - lol - a description of its influence on us, upward and outward, vs. a subjective description of the SOC - my little joke. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :
Lawson, what I realized reading your reply is that I don't think of CC as enlightened! I guess it's all relative. As for what an enlightened person is like, meaning, someone in UC or BC, I think of Nisargadatta smoking and selling all those cigarettes and all I can say is: go figger! From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation Well, research on TM enlightened people is still in its infancy. If you take MMY's words at their most simple, he's saying that enlightened people are the most rigid people in teh world and can never change. Seeing how stress tends to make people more rigid, and less stress tends to make them less rigid, I don't think that MMY's words are being interpreted exactly the way he meant them. If he DID mean them the way everyone is hearing them, then perhaps he was wrong -speaking about people living in isolated caves and monastic communities as though they are what everyone is like who is enlightened. Unlike many hear, I don't believe that enlightened people are perfect. They are lower-stressed and therefore less likely to make mistakes due to being lower stress, but not some font of perfect knowledge that can never be challenged or corrected. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : Sounds like MMY, Share...... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote : wgm, I heard from a TM teacher friend that Maharishi once said that if you have any habits you want to change, good to do so before CC. Because after CC, you'll simply witness them! From: wgm4u <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation Dr. Johnson says-"The TM technique allows your mind to easily and effortlessly settle inward, through quieter levels of thought, until you experience the most silent and peaceful level of your own awareness—pure consciousness." I say-Yes, this is *eventually* true, but in practice it takes many years of dedicated practice to achieve this (pure consciousness) and some say even lifetimes of practice. So what MMY teaches is correct, only, the devil (time) is in the details which MMY conveniently left out or perhaps didn't know himself. He apparently thought after a few years of TM all of your vices would magically disappear and your didn't even have to try to get rid of them......what a joke!