Fleetwood, I once heard Maharishi say about CC was ok, that it has been a 
stepping stone. 
I love your phrase "investing silence into silence."And I'm not sure that 
enlightenment has a meaning at all. I think it's just itself. Probably more 
than anything else in our experience. 

      From: "fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 6:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
   
    "I don't think of CC as enlightened...". Yes, kind of a grand experiment 
going on these days - The old descriptions of enlightenment, based on 
cognition, and perfection of the sidhis, by those living a monastic lifestyle, 
needs to be updated. As critical and necessary, as the vast knowledge 
encompassed by the Veda, and the science of Yoga, is, so too, is the necessity 
to merge such a delicate and powerful science, with everyday life, how most of 
us live. Unlike those great saints who dwelt in caves, investing silence, into 
silence, our investments in the world, as householders, are all about people, 
and relationships. CC is a great benchmark, but being surrounded by 
relationships with others, UC becomes a requirement, a means to make life 
easier, the unlocking and fulfillment of Maharishi's goal of world peace, begun 
at the level of the individual (CC), but finding its joy in perfect 
relationships, with everyone (UC).Thanks for bringing that up - I've been 
thinking off and on, about what enlightenment means, if we aren't focused on 
cognizing the Veda, and perfecting the sidhis, in a cave. I think it means 
having perfect relationships with ourselves, and those around us, sentient or 
not. Conversely, these days, expanding the consciousness to CC, means very 
little, if we cannot fulfill our role in the world around us.PS This is what I 
meant a few months ago, when I wrote, "UC sucks" - lol - a description of its 
influence on us, upward and outward, vs. a subjective description of the SOC - 
my little joke.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :

Lawson, what I realized reading your reply is that I don't think of CC as 
enlightened! I guess it's all relative. As for what an enlightened person is 
like, meaning, someone in UC or BC, I think of Nisargadatta smoking and selling 
all those cigarettes and all I can say is: go figger!

  From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 9:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
 
 Well, research on TM enlightened people is still in its infancy.
If you take MMY's words at their most simple, he's saying that enlightened 
people are the most rigid people in teh world and can never change.
Seeing how stress tends to make people more rigid, and less stress tends to 
make them less rigid, I don't think that MMY's words are being interpreted 
exactly the way he meant them.
If he DID mean them the way everyone is hearing them, then perhaps he was wrong 
 -speaking about people living in isolated caves and monastic communities as 
though they are what everyone is like who is enlightened.
Unlike many hear, I don't believe that enlightened people are perfect. They are 
lower-stressed and therefore less likely to make mistakes due to being lower 
stress, but not some font of perfect knowledge that can never be challenged or 
corrected.
L



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

Sounds like MMY, Share......

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :

wgm, I heard from a TM teacher friend that Maharishi once said that if you have 
any habits you want to change, good to do so before CC. Because after CC, 
you'll simply witness them!

  From: wgm4u <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:01 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
 
 Dr. Johnson says-"The TM technique allows your mind to easily and effortlessly 
settleinward, through quieter levels of thought, until you experience the 
mostsilent and peaceful level of your own awareness—pure consciousness."

I say-Yes, this is *eventually* true, but in practice it takes many years of 
dedicated practice to achieve this (pure consciousness) and some say even 
lifetimes of practice.

So what MMY teaches is correct, only, the devil (time) is in the details which 
MMY conveniently left out or perhaps didn't know himself. He apparently thought 
after a few years of TM all of your vices would magically disappear and your 
didn't even have to try to get rid of them......what a joke!



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