---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


The research mattered to me, because they were seeing that there's a difference 
between consciousness and awareness -- BIOCHEMICALLY SPEAKING.  This to me is 
major.  To pursue this line of exploration could yield some clear proofs that 
awareness is ooga-booga that none-the-less 100% controls ALL processes anywhere 

"Trivial" decisions are use for experimenting, because they can be controlled 
for variables.  The "hard thinking" you're putting on the table differs by 
degree not kind.  Of the thousands of thoughts one might have before asking 
someone to marry one, all were, presumably, based upon the same mechanisms.  

Free will can't be said to be "present" if consciousness is absent.  For 
instance, a person in a coma might thrash around and break a vase next to the 
bed -- by your reckoning, that was a mindful act.....and same deal for tons of 
other examples which folks will disavow as "my purposeful act."  And what of 
all the autonomic processes?  Are they too our actions?

 When I first glanced at your reply I read this sentence as: "For instance, a 
person in a come might thrash around and break a vase next to the bed". I 
thought we were being given a insight into your energetic sex life.
Clearly the word "mine" becomes the issue.  Identity with processes, no matter 
how subtle, is the primal error. 

 I think I would claim that when, for example, I make a Freudian slip (as I did 
when I read the sentence above!) it is indeed me who's making the slip; I'm not 
being compelled by anything outside me (like a gun held to my head). So my take 
on my identity is that it does include my autonomic processes. It's me who is 
making my heart beat. "Mine" is indeed the issue. We can get lost in semantic 
issues here and think we disagree with each other while actually agreeing. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <s3raphita@...> wrote :

 Interesting (really!).  
 Re the original experiment that showed a "readiness potential" occurs in the 
human brain just before ‘spontaneous’ actions. In fact, this brain event 
happens even before we are aware of deciding to act.:

 Well yes, but as many critics have pointed out the kinds of decisions that 
were being monitored were pretty trivial (eg, choosing whether or not to flex a 
finger). It didn't involve the kind of hard thinking you'd have to do if you 
were deciding whether to get married or make a career change.

 On a more philosophical point: suppose it is true that your brain decides 
things and you only become aware of what "you've" already decided to do a 
second or so later? It is still *you* - your deeper self/your unconscious - 
that made that decision. So what if your conscious self only learns what choice 
you freely decided upon slightly later?

 The original research is intriguing but not as world shattering as the 
scientists involved are claiming.


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