C: Since Buck decided to take a swipe at me well I have been off
the board, I will take a moment to make my own case: that Buck
comically misunderstands the meaning of Maharishi's message as
usual and idiotically thinks it might serve as a weapon against
people who think differently than he does. The hysterical
perversion of the intention of Maharishi's words being used as a
justification of his doing EXACTLY what Maharishi is warning
against is too good to miss. Plus it gives me a chance to comment
on Maharishi's style of self promotions as a special guy that
seems to have worked so well on Buck. My comments will be
interspersed with Maharishi's below
Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964
Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards
spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And
never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble
way it may be.
C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each
other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his
product and STFU about their personality problems with each other.
One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been
meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot.
As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more
and more pure.
C: Again setting the context, this applies to those who are of a
level of purity where this kind of magical effect takes place. He
is not making a broad statement about all people and is not
addressing this to non meditators. By applying it to Barry and
Michael and me, Buck is saying that our consciousness is as pure
as his so this should be a problem for us too. In Maharish's
system, like that of the Laws of Manu, there are different
instructions for behavior for each level of consciousness. He is
not instructing Buck to run around like a clucking hen berating
people like me who are acting according to my own level of
consciousness according to his system. He is directing this to
insiders who want or care about his opinions. It is not a scold
to be used to beat others over the head, it is an insiders tip
But one thing which you have to be very cautious about is that
you don't think evil of anyone, don't speak ill of anyone.
Otherwise speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on
the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your
heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled.
C: Here is where it gets even funnier. For Buck worry to be
valid, the things we are saying about Maharishi must be true. He
is not denying that people have real "weaknesses", he is saying
that those real weakness come into your heart for paying
attention to them. So only in the case where Maharishi is an
actual con man shyster, or whatever other criticism had been
leveled does this influence come into play. And none of it has
anything to do with my own critiques of Maharishi's belief
system. He is not condemning all philosophical disagreement or he
would be condemning Shankara's main activity traveling around
India and debating with and arguing his points with opposing view
points. Buck is misusing the intention of this instruction
because he has intellectual boundary problems with people who
don't share his provincial view of the world.
So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't
invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have
to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of
anyone, and we don't do ill to anyone naturally.
C: Again, the point is for people who in the system have gained
this imaginary purity, it is not a universal instruction for
Speaking ill of others is a very bad.... We say it makes the
cloth dirty, makes the whole personality very dirty and impure.
That we have to guard against in our dealings and feelings with
people. Very important; very, very important. It is as important
as daily practice of meditation.
C: So WTF is Buck doing chasing us around, drawing our "mud" to
himself? If what we are doing it is impure, then by dwelling on
and attacking us Buck is violating the very purpose of the
instruction, while at the same time thinking it is a way to put
us down? Now THAT's funny.
In the olden days in India, there was a practice that if some man
did some great sin, then the way to repent it was that he would
cover his body with a cloth like that and will go to any village.
Standing out of the village, he would shout out: my name is such
and such, and I come from that village, and I happened to be
doing like that and like that and like that. He would just
announce it and go ahead, and keep on announcing from village to
And the effect was: all the people who heard him, if in their
evening meetings with their fellow men, they talk about that,
then the contention is that they partake of his sin and after
some time he becomes pure. Just by talking about the sinner, the
people who talk about him share his sin.
This is very dangerous. Someone has done something wrong and if
we dwell on that and talk it over with someone, we have been
affected by that sin and we spread that sin; we partake of his
sin and take it upon us.
C: I agree with Maharishi that olden day India was full of
Anyone who has done any mistake there or there or there, we just
don't speak of it. Otherwise we will only be shrouding ourselves
with the sins of others. Very important, especially now when
through this Transcendental Meditation we are making ourselves
more and more full with Being, means more and more full with
purity, then we have to guard against this thing which is very
No one thinks that if I am talking ill of someone, then no one
thinks that I am taking over his sin. It is a common practice in
the world to simply talk something wrong done by others. It is
just very harmful for us.
C: So Mr. Pure guy. Heed your master and STFU about people who
you believe are sinners. It is very dangerous for you to focus
your purity and wa wa woo woo power on people who don't share our
views. It isn't even his intended point. Take a moment to
actually read what your teacher said, apply it to yourself after
you understand what the F was actually talking about.
Question (inaudible, about newspaper writers?)
They do a great service as far as amending of the wrong is
concerned, but as far as partaking of his sin is concerned, they
do partake. They help the sinner by spreading the news about him
and everybody talks about him, and then all of them partake of
the sins. As far as partaking of the sin is concerned, that is
helpful for the sinner.
C: What a complete indictment of how you behave here Buck.
In Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna said to Arjuna at one point [Gita
9:1, see below] that I am giving you this most secret wisdom
because, one condition out of many that He said was, that you
never speak ill of others (/anasuya/). That is you don't speak
ill of others, for this quality in you I think you deserve this
wisdom, so I give this wisdom to you. Just this quality of not
speaking ill of others.
Out of my own experience, I tell you, in the ashram of my Guru
Dev, there were 100s of people, all good disciples. And everyone
after all is a human being. No aspirant is ever perfect. They
come to the feet of the master for that perfection. So everyone
has his own failing there and there and there. I had my own
failings, I never knew what were they, but must be because no
human is ever perfect.
C: With the myopic self knowledge of George Bush who as asked the
question about his failings, Maharishi doesn't know himself well
enough to know what they were. That explains a lot.
One thing I was famous about is that I will not speak ill of
anyone. I would always cherish a hope of his becoming better
sooner or later. I would always cherish a hope.
C: Mr Self Promotion to the end. He was "famous" for being so
wonderful while at the same time oblivious to his own faults. I
would love to hear the discussion over chapattis about the
clueless Mahesh by the other disciples!
If someone says: that man has done like that and such a bad man.
[I would say:] “Now that he is in the ashram he will
improve.” Always I cherish a hope against all the wrongs done by
all the people.
C: Get it Buck? Stop being such a negative d-bag around here.
And the effect that you find today is all this world Movement to
bring peace to every man all around the world; it is a very great
thing in the long history of the world. This great force of
purity and strength for spiritual regeneration of entire mankind,
no surprise [that it] is based on the faculty of mind that will
not cherish into the wrongs of others.
C: And he sticks the landing! I am going to predict that Buck
will share Maharishi's lack of ability for self reflection and
will continue to trot this out as if it means that critics of
Maharishi and his belief system should stop expressing their POV
here. And when he does, I will laugh my ass off at his utter lack
of understanding of the system he claims to be such a champion for.
What you are doing is hijacking Maharishi's belief system into
your own personal agenda for promoting your image as a super
special spiritual person, while demonstrating your lack of
reading comprehension. Why did it take a critic of the system to
point out its intended meaning to you?
Now you have three choices. Show me where my understanding is
specifically wrong and why his words should apply to me, go ad
hominem as if that solves the problem, or cut and run and apply
yourself to writing some new preachy bullshit that attempts to
sell us on how special you are for the intellectually mangled
beliefs you hold.
Bhagavad Gita 9:1
The Blessed Lord said:
Now I shall fully declare to you, who do not cavil, this the
greatest secret, the knowledge combined with the experience,
having known which you will be freed from evil.
Quote from Upanishads, which was used in Vedic Atom Pledge (1980)
Let us be together,
Let us eat together,
Let us be vital together,
Let us be radiating truth, radiating the light of life,
Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity.
<mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
Well, really there is a much larger communal discussion going on
here about dealing with negativity. As such I am not going to
entertain your particular negativity around this any further. For
to go any further might well necessitate having to denounce you
in addition to dredging your negativity further and I feel that
should not be spiritually useful for either of us right now,
according to the teaching. Instead I shall sit in yoga with your
energetic resolution of your anger issues.
I wish you well,
How old are you, "Buck?" I'll bet I'm older than you are.
...as a transcendentalist I well know the reality of my inner
experience with this and for that I am quite a satisfied customer
of the transcending meditation experience.
I have no problem with this, and am in fact happy for you that
your "inner experience" has been good for you. What I object to
is your assumption that YOUR "inner experience" means
diddleysquat to anyone else or is good for them. Or even that it
I know and can certainly trust in the clarity of that reality by
the science of my experience, thank you for asking.
"That reality" isn't one. It's only your "inner experience."
YOUR INNER EXPERIENCE IS NOT REALITY. IT'S ONLY YOUR INNER
I am not going to get down in to your mud to wrestle with you
point by point about George Bush, life is too short for that.
However there is in deed a discerning and practical spiritual
aspect of caution to what Maharishi is getting at with his
negativity talk around spiritual practice. I find it wise to take
that to heart. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck
Sorry, but I can't "take to heart" the possibility that anyone
who still tries to end rants by invoking the thoughtstopper "Jai
Guru Dev" could possibly be "wise."
turquoiseb wrote :