On 11/15/2014 1:38 PM, steve.sundur wrote:


Perhaps you can help me with this.  Or possibly Barry. (-:

According to Barry, Maharishi is just a con man, with no experiences, no enlightenment. Never had it, never will.

And yet Barry is saying that he had "experiences" while on various courses, attributable to, I presume his practice of TM.

And those experiences, we are told, have continued in an intermittent fashion to this very day.

So, the only take away I can draw from this, is that Barry is more enlightened, has more genuine experiences of higher consciousness than Maharishi.

And of course, this goes double for MIchael, who has checked off every box for experiences of higher states of consciousness.

Now, we have heard from MIchael, in a lengthy dissertation of why those experiences were false, nada, bumpkis, attributable to strictly the power of suggestion.

But Barry seems to give credence to the genuineness of those experiences, even if he says he pays them no mind.

I'm starting to get really confused here.

Help me Rhonda!
Their confusion is the result of their own cognitive dissonance. We could sum up their experience in just one short sentence, Steve:/

"Yeah, well, I don't really care what they think since neither has ever actually done anything of consequence except complain. In reality, for all their searching they got nada, nothing, zilch, zip, squat, zero, bupkis./"

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <punditster@...> wrote :

On 11/14/2014 8:36 PM, steve.sundur wrote:


    Barry, your greatness is unparalleled.

    Barry is one of the greatest cases of cognitive dissonance that I
    have ever seen on discussion group:

      * /He believes his Facebook friends are stalking him, yet he
        sent them an invite. /
      * /Everyone stalked him over here, but he sent a message
        challenging us to a debate./
      * /We hate him because we are so JELLOS of his temporary
        subjective, enlightenment experiences./

    You need to understand, Steve, that here is a guy that spent
    decades reading wisdom books and chasing after the enlightenment
    experience; donating tens of thousands of dollars just to witness
    magic tricks performed on a stage. Yet, he still can't perform a
    single magic trick, he isn't enlightened, he can't fly or levitate
    himself, or even PROVE a single spiritual experience.

    For all his effort, his spiritual quest was a total loss according
    to Xeno. Barry got nothing, nada, /bupkis. /He got the T-shirt but
    he didn't even get a spiritual name and had to make up one -
    /Uncle Tantra/ - when he wrote his own wisdom book.

    After he got kicked out of the cult, in an act of lonely
    desperation he went on social media to try and teach others how to
    act enlightened, but instead he was humiliated and got the shit
    beat out him for ten years by /The Corrector./

    We need to help this guy but he doesn't seem to want any help from
    his friends. Go figure.

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    <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, <turquoiseb@...>
    <mailto:turquoiseb@...> wrote :

    This story from the Puranas is the very reason for my Do Not Read

    My stalkers are free to pick up any of my qualities that they
    wish to by focusing so intently on their hatred for me, while by
    ignoring them and not even reading what they write I pick up
    nothing from them. Win-win.  :-)

    *From:* "curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife]"
    *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
    *Sent:* Friday, November 14, 2014 8:56 PM
    *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill
    of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about
    that Good

    Thanks Michael and Barry. The funniest kicker to the story is
    that according to the Puranas, a demon can gain enlightenment by
    a steady opposition to Krishna. So the only thing that will
    happen from this circle jerk is that we gain Maharishi's "purity"
    and Buck gains our "impurity."

    Not a bad deal huh?!

    ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
    <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, <mjackson74@...>
    <mailto:mjackson74@...> wrote :

    One of the bests post I have ever seen on FFL - thanks Curtis.
    Very interesting to read Marshy's pontifications in context.

    *From:* "curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife]"
    *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
    *Sent:* Friday, November 14, 2014 2:13 PM
    *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill
    of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about
    that Good

    C: Since Buck decided to take a swipe at me well I have been off
    the board, I will take a moment to make my own case: that Buck
    comically misunderstands the meaning of Maharishi's message as
    usual and idiotically thinks it might serve as a weapon against
    people who think differently than he does. The hysterical
    perversion of the intention of Maharishi's words being used as a
    justification of his doing EXACTLY what Maharishi is warning
    against is too good to miss. Plus it gives me a chance to comment
    on Maharishi's style of self promotions as a special guy that
    seems to have worked so well on Buck. My comments will be
    interspersed with Maharishi's below

    Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964

    Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards
    spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And
    never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble
    way it may be.

    C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each
    other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his
    product and STFU about their personality problems with each other.

    One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been
    meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot.
    As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more
    and more pure.

    C: Again setting the context, this applies to those who are of a
    level of purity where this kind of magical effect takes place. He
    is not making a broad statement about all people and is not
    addressing this to non meditators. By applying it to Barry and
    Michael and me, Buck is saying that our consciousness is as pure
    as his so this should be a problem for us too. In Maharish's
    system, like that of the Laws of Manu, there are different
    instructions for behavior for each level of consciousness. He is
    not instructing Buck to run around like a clucking hen berating
    people like me who are acting according to my own level of
    consciousness according to his system. He is directing this to
    insiders who want or care about his opinions. It is not a scold
    to be used to beat others over the head, it is an insiders tip
    for insiders.

    But one thing which you have to be very cautious about is that
    you don't think evil of anyone, don't speak ill of anyone.
    Otherwise speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on
    the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your
    heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled.

    C: Here is where it gets even funnier. For Buck worry to be
    valid, the things we are saying about Maharishi must be true. He
    is not denying that people have real "weaknesses", he is saying
    that those real weakness come into your heart for paying
    attention to them. So only in the case where Maharishi is an
    actual con man shyster, or whatever other criticism had been
    leveled does this influence come into play. And none of it has
    anything to do with my own critiques of Maharishi's belief
    system. He is not condemning all philosophical disagreement or he
    would be condemning Shankara's main activity traveling around
    India and debating with and arguing his points with opposing view
    points. Buck is misusing the intention of this instruction
    because he has intellectual boundary problems with people who
    don't share his provincial view of the world.

    So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't
    invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have
    to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of
    anyone, and we don't do ill to anyone naturally.

    C: Again, the point is for people who in the system have gained
    this imaginary purity, it is not a universal instruction for

    Speaking ill of others is a very bad.... We say it makes the
    cloth dirty, makes the whole personality very dirty and impure.
    That we have to guard against in our dealings and feelings with
    people. Very important; very, very important.  It is as important
    as daily practice of meditation.

    C: So WTF is Buck doing chasing us around, drawing our "mud" to
    himself? If what we are doing it is impure, then by dwelling on
    and attacking us Buck is violating the very purpose of the
    instruction, while at the same time thinking it is a way to put
    us down? Now THAT's funny.

    In the olden days in India, there was a practice that if some man
    did some great sin, then the way to repent it was that he would
    cover his body with a cloth like that and will go to any village.
    Standing out of the village, he would shout out: my name is such
    and such, and I come from that village, and I happened to be
    doing like that and like that and like that. He would just
    announce it and go ahead, and keep on announcing from village to

    And the effect was: all the people who heard him, if in their
    evening meetings with their fellow men, they talk about that,
    then the contention is that they partake of his sin and after
    some time he becomes pure. Just by talking about the sinner, the
    people who talk about him share his sin.

    This is very dangerous. Someone has done something wrong and if
    we dwell on that and talk it over with someone, we have been
    affected by that sin and we spread that sin; we partake of his
    sin and take it upon us.

    C: I agree with Maharishi that olden day India was full of
    idiotic practices.

    Anyone who has done any mistake there or there or there, we just
    don't speak of it. Otherwise we

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