---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

 Seems Richard has managed to push the buttons of the Turq big-time, no matter 
how much he claims never to read any of his posts :-)

 I'll bet my Sunday lunch that the only reason Turq saw that comment by 
Willytex is because you commented on it. 

 It's the only reason I saw it too. Man, I'd hate to spend so much time online 
and to discover I'd been so ineffective for so many years...

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote :

 Willytex can continue to "remind" people of anything he fuckin' wants...it 
doesn't bother me a bit. I've never claimed to *understand* what was going on 
when I and hundreds of other people saw Fred levitate, only that we witnessed 
it. He's just jealous that he never has...that's why at this point he has made 
several *thousand* posts about it. 


 Compare and contrast against the claim made by Nabby several times on this 
forum that *HE* has levitated, hanging in the air for long periods of time. 
There is no one on Earth who doesn't find that laughable.  :-) 

 As for Curtis, I doubt seriously that he has ever suggested that *perception* 
is not different in different states of consciousness, only that *reality* 
probably isn't. Nabby wouldn't make that distinction because quite frankly he 
doesn't understand the difference. As with his claims to have personally 
levitated (which he has been unable to provide proof for or find anyone to 
substantiate), he seems to believe that if he experienced or perceived 
something, that *is* reality. 


 I suspect that both Curtis and I would agree that anyone who believes this is 
delusional. Even if you don't bother factoring in the fact that Nabby also 
believes in little green men whose idea of fun is stomping patterns in fields 
of wheat to show how advanced and intelligent they are.  :-)


 From: nablusoss1008 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
   Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times and 
Curti's claim that "knowledge is not different in different states of 
consciousness" loom over these two guys forever. It's a good thing that Richard 
keep reminding every possible lurker here how far out of any possible 
self-insight these two guy's are.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <punditster@...> wrote :

 On 11/15/2014 4:23 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:

   Sal is adjusting his speak every day now. Watch out, one of these days he'll 
even retract his extremely silly judgements on the Crop Circles.

 "Adjusting his speak" - that's a good one! Apparently he already believes in 
tall tales - he has yet to reply to Barry's levitation claims about Rama. Go 
 "And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to 
show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using 
explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain 
circumstances." - salyavin808
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
<no_re...@yahoogroups.com> mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
<sharelong60@...> mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 Salyavin, I love your last paragraph: folklore in action; techno ghost stories 
for the nuclear age. As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the 
vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here 
with us. And I think it's great. 

 We can believe what we like. I have no opinion on intelligent life elsewhere, 
we don't know the variables that allow for it to develop. We could be unique or 
the universe could be teeming or maybe there's just one or two per galaxy over 
it's entire history. But the chances of there being other humanoids visiting 
Earth at the just same time as we've understood where we are cosmically? It 
beggars belief. Alien craft is the least likely explanation for UFO's. But I 
hope it's true.

 But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one 
way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-:


 I don't know, just enjoy the ride, the evolving myth. We are apparently on the 
brink of something called "disclosure". We've been here before a few times as I 
recall, it never amounts to much but it's fun watching the TB's get excited 
that their favourite daydream is to be officially confirmed. 
 But it won't be, the UFO's won't land and Maitreya won't appear. It's the way 
of things. The connection between the two is that people want there to be more, 
want there to be a reason and for there to be salvation from a higher power, 
whether it's alien or spiritual. We're talking deep human needs here.
 From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:06 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
<no_re...@yahoogroups.com> mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 Sal doesn't like UFO's because they aren't scientific :-)

 It's an interesting point Nabs. The thing is one can only get scientific about 
something if it is available to study, UFO's are so fleeting and ephemeral that 
there really isn't anything to study other than hearsay or suspiciously absent 
film taken by higher powers to keep the whole thing secret.
 But a great many people have studied what they can about UFO sightings, and 
done it with as much rigour as you can with such a paucity of hard evidence. 
I'm not sure there is an encounter that hasn't got a better explanation that 
doesn't involve us being visited by beings from another world. And I don't just 
mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something 
more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already 
understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. Even testing soil 
damage and skin burns for alternative causes. People are being scientific about 
 But here's the thing you overlook in your quip, I've been interested in UFO's 
for as long as I remember, I've a got a shelf full of the classic books on the 
subject. Even the true believer stuff from "serious" researchers like Timothy 
Good and the abductionists like Bud Hopkins. I bet I know all the great 
encounters by heart - Cortile, Ramirez, Roswell, Pascagoula, Ilkley Moor, 
 I love it but I don't take it at face value. To me, UFO's are folklore in 
action. The evolving myth of abduction and what they are supposedly doing here 
are the legends of our time, a new religion, encapsulating our fears about 
technology and promising us freedom from our destructive ways, yet always 
remaining remarkably evidence free. There's always a new vision to add to the 
mythos but conveniently never any hard evidence to help decide one way or the 
other. And the longer that scenario goes on the more convinced any casual 
observer should be that we are kidding ourselves, because deep down we like 
ghost stories and that's really what they are. Something scary always just out 
of reach. Techno ghost stories for the nuclear age.


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 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
<steve.sundur@...> mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 I didn't really read what sal has written below, but I think the gist of it 
is, that he doesn't like the person who coined the word "flying saucer" 
 Is that what his dissertation is about this time?
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
<no_re...@yahoogroups.com> mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 There is not one astronaut who has NOT reported seeing UFO's, sometimes huge 
and in large nubers, back to NASA and/or their families.
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
<no_re...@yahoogroups.com> mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
<no_re...@yahoogroups.com> mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 If Gordon is not crazy, then the American government is purposefully, 
mindfully, ABSOLUTELY evil.
 If there are aliens visiting us and we're not being told -- it robs every 
person on Earth.
 Neither you, nor I, nor anyone ever could possibly be who we are now if we 
knew that UFOs are real.
 And that's why it might be kept a secret -- the concept "money" would be 
bereft of allure.
 If you say that it would NOT be "all that much of a big deal, cuz everyone's 
so inured already by Hollywood films," then YOU DON'T KNOW JACK SHIT ABOUT 
 Every person in every way:  changed.
 Agreed. Luckily I don;t suppose it will come to that. Which is a shame as I'd 
be the happiest person on Earth if it turned out that UFO's were alien 
spacecraft, but the truth of sightings always turns out to be more mundane.
 Take the name "flying saucers", everyone sees saucer shaped craft but the name 
is a mistake from the first encounter anyone had. Kenneth Arnold (an 
experienced pilot) saw a squadron of highly reflective crescent shaped aircraft 
flying at great speed in a V formation over the Rocky mountains in 1947. He 
described them as flying like a saucer would if skipped across water. 
 A journalist made up the name flying saucer and after that everyone saw saucer 
shaped craft when they saw something mysterious in the sky. The power of 
suggestion. Sadly there's no such thing as a reliable witness and any one can 
be fooled, Arnold most likely saw a flock of pelicans and mistook them for 
unknown aircraft and miscalculated their distance from him. We all make 
mistakes but the influence his mistake had is immeasurable. 
 Because we people are so unreliable, if I had to bet I would say that Cooper 
saw some atmospheric effect from flying at supersonic speed that no one had 
noticed before and mistook it for real craft moving above him. 
 And early radar was hopelessly unreliable, the UK air defence system in the 
cold war was always telling us that giant UFOs were crossing the north sea but 
when planes were scrambled to look it turned out to have been temperature 
inversions confusing the equipment. When these anomalies were understood and 
ironed out UFO reports stopped coming in. It's the way it goes, people see 
stuff and imagination plugs any gaps, popular culture is rife with imagery that 
came before the sightings. I can't trust myself let alone anyone else!
 I would like to see this film they took though but, I don't suppose we ever 
will. That's the way 

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