---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fleetwood_macncheese@...> wrote :
The sleep paralysis is an interesting explanation. I do recall,
though, (30 years ago), that she heard them on the stairs first and
then they came into the room, described their big black eyes, and
small form. Glad I didn't wake up. She didn't talk about it
afterwards, and being such a traumatic experience for her, it wouldn't
have been very considerate for me to ask her about it. We were not UFO
buffs at all. Weird stuff, and like you say, maddeningly, never
On 11/17/2014 3:42 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
Interestingly, most people who report abduction experiences aren't UFO
It has already been established that perception is reality - we have
several eyewitness accounts to paranormal events which have been found
to be REAL experiences, yet unexplained.
For example, there is the case of /Fred Lenz/, who was observed to be a
flying object up in the sky by hundreds of observers on numerous
occasions, as reported on FFL recently.
In one case, Lenz flew from the desert floor up to the side of a nearby
mountain and waved at the people down below. So far, these experiences
have NOT been discredited by you or anyone else on this forum.
The only report that has been scientifically discredited is the notion
that Fred Lenz was in fact an alien from another planet or solar system
and was the /Last Incarnation of Lord Vishnu, /as claimed by Barry./
"An unidentified flying object, or UFO, in its most general definition,
is any apparent anomaly in the sky that is not identifiable as a known
object or phenomenon."
They don't really need to be though, the experience has followed
popular culture closely. It seems the imagery in films like /Close
Encounters of the Third Kind / hasbecome well and truly universal.
There were no alien abduction reports before Hollywood got busy with
the subject. Even the first such tale, the case of Betty and Barney
Hill, seemed suspiciously like an episode of sci-fi TV show /The Outer
Limits /that was broadcast a few weeks before.
Couple these reference points with the human imagination and it's a
potent formula. In the old days of goblins and elves they used
different imagery in sleep paralysis (if that's what it was)
incidents. The mind is a strange place. I just wish I'd had
experiences like this, but it didn't matter how many haunted houses I
slept in or cold hillsides I camped on I never saw anything unusual!
Some of the famous abduction stories are so far out they defy any
categorisation, that so many are only revealed under hypnosis makes
them more easily dismissed, but even in the most well known and
inexplicable ones that have been studied and written about, I'm firmly
in the camp of aliens being the least likely explanation.
But I keep my eye on it all as I like watching how the story has
evolved and find the abduction researchers really interesting. The
internet has ruined it because there are so many sites of such low
quality and transparently nonsensical conspiracy rubbish it's hard to
sort the wheat from the chaff. Most would say it's all chaff but the
evolving beliefs tell us a lot about current social fears about
nuclear war and genetic engineering and distrust of government.
Interesting to see it bubble up in the guise of terrifying humanoids
that invade our homes at night.
And then there's how the classic UFO stories get tweaked to fit the
new narrative, the type of stories that get reported and the type of
aliens involved have changed so much in my lifetime that the Earth
must by the busiest place in the universe with hundreds of incoming
craft from different worlds/dimensions every hour. We sure are
popular! Interesting stuff, there's probably a folklore PHD or two in