Bhairitu, I find what you write here rich in both common sense and subtle 
insights. What's tricky about inner silence or the Self, etc. is that the 
minute you're talking about it, you've turned it into an object. And of course 
it isn't. For me, a better strategy has been to not try and do that at all. 
Except for this post (-: 
I sometimes envy the kapha types who seem so enlightened to me just because 
they're calm by nature.
      From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor
   
     I've always said the "experiencing enlightenment" is the thing to say even 
if it is for a few minutes a day.  Honestly, I think some folks believe that 
enlightenment will put them in a perpetual state of celestial consciousness as 
if you were always on LSD.  That, of course, would not be very practical.  
Basically it is an "inner silence" which is not pervasive or you could never 
deal with everyday situations.  You'd just have to sit there like a lump.  
People here who experience that "inner silence" (and I believe there are 
probably more than a few here who do) know that they have it when they focus on 
it but when they need to focus on worldly things it doesn't get in the way.
 
 I know a number of people who even just doing TM will say "CC was a long time 
ago." Whether you got there or not seems to depend on your nervous system or 
maybe if you are more spiritually inclined then development in past 
incarnations. People like to say that those who popped into are probably "old 
souls."  So even the spiritual community will have a group who is sorry to say 
"left behind."  If you could force them into enlightenment they might not be 
able to handle it. 
 
 Believe me, I also know people who practiced TM and said they never 
experienced transcendence just some relaxation. I hope they only paid no more 
than $75 for it then.
 
 Another faux paus is that some people believe there are personality markers 
that indicate "enlightenment". That is not true at all.  So you can't judge the 
"book by it's cover" especially on the Internet.   ;-) 
 
 On 11/18/2014 11:26 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  


    First of all, I'm familiar with spiritual groups who proclaim people 
enlightened. I didn't always agree with their proclamations! And as mentioned, 
I know of a group who gives certificates of enlightenment.  Maybe they use 
different criteria than me! I also know people in the TMO who I think are 
pretty darn enlightened. But of course they don't proclaim themselves as such. 
  The whole thing is such a hodge podge that I simply ignore all the posturing 
and go by my own sense of a person. And actually, it doesn't matter to me 
whether or not they're "enlightened." There are other qualities that I value 
more. 
      From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 12:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor
   
        From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
             
 
   On 11/18/2014 09:17 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
  
    From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
   
  On 11/18/2014 04:26 AM,  TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:         
     It's not so much a rumor, more of a sales pitch or claim, but I've always 
gotten a chuckle from  "TM is the fastest path to  enlightenment on the  
planet," coming from an organization  that in over 50 years has been unable to 
produce even a single person  they can point at and say, "This person is 
enlightened,  and got that way as a result of  practicing TM."
    
 
  
  What organization does? 
  Just to make a point about the kinds of bullshit humans are willing to  
accept, think about the TM sales pitch  for enlightenment, compared to almost 
anything else  being sold on this planet: 
  -- "So, that's your  introductory lecture. Just sign here, pay  us your $75, 
and we promise  you that you will be fully enlightened in  five years."  
(Please note that this actually *happened* with the TM movement.) 
  -- "Sounds good, but looking  into my crystal ball that shows me  the future, 
I can see that  what you're trying to sell me isn't going  to cost me only $75, 
but  tens of thousands of dollars over 30 or 40 years, to pay  for all the 
extra courses and 'add-ons'  you'll try to sell me. What  can you show me to 
convince me that this  'enlightenment' you're trying  to sell me will actually 
occur, and  that if it does, it's  worth it? 
  -- "Well, you just have to  trust us. Give us your money now, and in 5 to 8 
years (ooops, sorry  about that) you'll be enlightened.  And you've heard the  
lectures -- when you're enlightened,  you'll be able to know everything and 
have everything you  want just by wanting it. Isn't that  worth the hundreds of 
 thousands of dollars (ooops again) you'll  wind up paying us?" 
  -- "It *might* be worth it, but  what can you show me to prove to me  that 
this 'enlightenment'  you're selling me actually exists? For  example, there 
are many  people here in the room today who have been  practicing TM for more 
than  8 years, the maximum time you say it  will take to become  enlightened. 
Point out the ones who are  enlightened, and let me talk to them to figure out 
if this is all  going to be worth it." 
  -- "Sorry. <insert reverential tone of  bullshit here> 'We don't talk about 
our  individual state of consciousness.'" 
  -- "WTF? So you're saying  that I just have to TRUST you about all  this 
enlightenment  stuff, and you are NEVER going to show  me anyone who you can  
guarantee has achieved it?" 
  -- "That's right." 
  -- "You DO know that this is  insane, right? Promising the 'fastest path' to 
something you'll later  refuse to ever produce?" 
  -- "You think WE'RE insane?  Talk to the millions of people who  bought this 
exact sales  pitch hook, line, and sinker."  
  
  :-) 
           
  
  It's a "path to enlightenment" but my  point was that no organization I know 
of guarantees it.  You can't.  It even goes against TM teaching because one's 
progress  is dependent on the state of their nervous system.  And by no means 
would it be the fastest.  It really is just a meditation for the masses.  It's 
nothing special other than it was probably  better organized than some of the 
other front runners. 
  
  Bhairitu, it's not "guaranteeing  enlightenment" that I'm riffing on for 
hopefully humorous  purposes. It's the promising it for 50  years and never 
*producing* it I'm riffing on.  
  That, and the fact that they got  away with it because their clientele was 
too stupid to ever say, "Now  wait a minute...where are all these  enlightened 
people you  promised me I'd be surrounded by  and be one of? Point them out  to 
me. Show me an enlightened person." 
  
      Someone saying that -- *anyone* saying that -- would  have been the 
counterpart of the line in the fairy tale that  goes, "Uh, guys...you *have* 
noticed that the  Emperor has no clothes on, right?" Asked to put up or shut up 
and  actually *produce* a "certified TM enlightened person," the TMO wouldn't 
have been able to do so. 
  
  It's all a house of cards perpetuated by the fact  that no one ever says, 
"Show me an enlightened person." 
  
  
  
 
         
 
       
 
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