On 11/20/2014 10:18 AM, Share Long wrote:
Nice, Richard, thanks, makes me realize that probably most of us
theists are using inference and verbal testimony.
/So, there are three valid means of knowledge (epistemology): we see and
hear things; we are told or read about things; and other things we infer
based on our experience.
For example, we sense with our eyes that all things fall down. So, we
infer that there is gravitas ///and there is order in the cosmos /. When
we are born we know next to nothing, so, we go out and find a teacher -
A//ccording to the ancient Indian tradition, there is another valid
means of knowledge: transcendental knowledge - a knowledge that is
beyond the senses.
Transcendental, not in the Aristotelian view of God as the prime mover,
but a non-material self-consciousness that is knowing itself. A
cognitive faculty that exists a priori to experience of sense objects.
Transcendental knowledge is knowledge that enables our mind to
understand and experience objects in the first place.
*From:* "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]"
*Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 10:14 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God
On 11/20/2014 9:57 AM, Share Long wrote:
I'm not sure what turq finds so annoying about "belief." Heck, if we
didn't have beliefs, we'd have to learn everything all over every
single day. For example, when I cross the busy intersection while
walking to the post office, I believe the cars will obey the red
light. I don't know 100% for sure that they will. But I think they
will based on past experience. Except past experience also includes
seeing many a dingbat run the red light! I think belief is what we do
all day long simply because we can't know anything for sure until
AFTER it has happened. d even then, our perceptions are skewed by the
state of our nervous system.
/Probably none of us have been up in space so we could witness the
curvature of the earth first-hand. So, we take the verbal testimony of
others that the earth is spherical in shape.
There is no a priori knowledge that we are born with. We know very
little when we are born - so we must learn almost everything we know
from our teachers.//The question is: what are the valid means of
* /Sense perception/
* /Verbal testimony/