On 11/23/2014 5:58 PM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
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Corporations DO NOT pay their fair share - It is supposed to be 35 to 40%, but several pay NO taxes at all. They can go incorporate in Liberia, for all I care - Greedy, unpatriotic bastards. I like the idea of a flat tax, but will settle for the letter of the law.


PS There is exactly ONE political party in the USA - Quit getting played for a chump.
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It looks like we are in some agreement. Both political parties are not working in our interest. Bhairitu's idea of a third party makes a lot of sense. In the next presidential election I may vote independent. It's easy to paint taxation with a large brush and to combine notions of individual earned income tax with corporate taxation and the idea of taxing the rich. It's complicated.

The problem with taxing the rich is that when the economy is good politicians love it, but when the economy is poor, they hate it - the instability is not a good thing. In California what is needed is a flat tax rate to help stabilize state revenues, according to U.S. Rep Tom McClintock (R., CA).

/"The working class may be taking a beating from spending cuts used to close a cavernous deficit, Mr. Williams said, but the root of California's woes is its reliance on taxing the wealthy." /

http://online.wsj.com/articles/ <http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704604704576220491592684626>/

/Libertarian Party on Tax Reform:/
//
//"Government should not incur debt, which burdens future generations without their consent. We support the passage of a “Balanced Budget Amendment” to the US Constitution, provided that the budget is balanced exclusively by cutting expenditures, not raising taxes."//
//
/http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Libertarian_Party_Tax_Reform.htm

/"The kid-glove treatment of corporate tax offenders by both parties is exhibit A in America's shift from a functioning democracy to a nascent oligarchy."/

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-biggest-tax-scam-ever <http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-biggest-tax-scam-ever-20140827?page=4>


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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <punditster@...> wrote :

On 11/23/2014 1:01 PM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:

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    The current situation is shameful.

    >
    /Agreed, but the answer is not//in continuing the current tax
    structure. I am opposed to unfair income taxation. A better idea
    might be a tax on luxury goods. One of the reason businesses are
    leaving California and the U.S. is because of unfair corporate
    taxation./
    >

    It is lying with statistics,

    >
    /The chart was compiled in 2011 by President Obama's Congressional
    Budget Office (CBO) - it's a non-partisan analysis. It proves that
    the rich pay almost all of the income tax in the U.S. Do the math.//
    //
    //https://www.cbo.gov//

    
/http://www.aei.org/publication/new-cbo-study-shows-rich-dont-just-pay-fair-share-pay-almost-everybodys-share//
    >

    based on an outmoded tax structure - Let the ultra-wealthy give
    something back, besides the minimum. The only reason that chart
    is trotted out, is to quiet those who know they are being
    screwed, and to appease the very rich.

    >
    /So, it's an Obama government conspiracy to "quiet those" who
    don't pay any income tax? You're not even making any sense today,
    Jim.//

    The federal government’s most intrusive and potentially punitive
    institution, the IRS, unquestionably worked for Barack Obama’s
    reelection by suppressing activities by conservative groups.//
    //
    //http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-will//
    
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-will-in-wisconsin-done-in-by-john-doe/2014/10/24/b30ee2ec-5ad8-11e4-b812-38518ae74c67_story.html>
    >
    How is someone worth a billion dollars, going to miss a hundred
    million or so?
    >
    /A few million here and a few million there and pretty soon you're
    talking real money. But, seriously it's not about the money - it's
    all about the jobs./
    >
    The ultra rich use a disproportionate share of the common, and
    they should pay their fair share, without any tax breaks.
    >
    /Not sure how you figure rich people paying 90% of all the U.S.
    income tax is paying "their fair share. It sounds more like the
    rich are the ones being screwed. The only fair income tax would be
    a flat tax.

    We are all supposed to be equal under the law, not prejudiced
    against those that have more. Without the opportunity to be rich
    people, everyone would be poor. Go figure./
    ">
    If they did that, and corporations chipped in their fair share,
    that would be good enough for me.
    >
    /It's not good enough for me until they reform the tax code and
    eliminate the IRS and implement a flat tax. A true flat rate tax
    is a system of taxation where one tax rate is applied to all
    income with no deductions.
    //
    //Flat taxes offer simplicity in the tax code, which has been
    reported to increase compliance and decrease administration costs.
    A true flat rate tax is a system of taxation where one tax rate is
    applied to all income with no exceptions. The flat rate would be
    applied to all taxable income and profits without exception or
    exemption. //
    //
    //It could be argued that under such an arrangement, no one is
    subject to a preferential or "unfair" tax treatment. No industry
    receives special treatment, large households are not advantaged at
    the expense of small ones, etc. //
    //
    //Moreover, the cost of tax filing for citizens and the cost of
    tax administration for the government would be further reduced, as
    under a true flat tax only businesses and the self-employed would
    need to interact with the tax authorities./
    >

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    <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, <punditster@...>
    <mailto:punditster@...> wrote :

    On 11/22/2014 2:28 PM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:

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        Yes, I agree that a larger safety net is necessary, and the
        bucks for that should come from the ultra wealthy who shirk
        their national responsibility, by evading taxes.

        >
        /A new CBO study shows that ‘the rich’ don’t just pay their
        ‘fair share,’ they pay almost everybody’s share.



        
http://www.aei.org/publication/new-cbo-study-shows-rich-dont-just-pay-fair-share-pay-almost-everybodys-share//
        >

        Otherwise, we will continue to see the middle class
        disappear, and be headed for a second revolution, eventually.


        Part of the issue, is that corporate titans are seen as
        great visionaries and geniuses, instead of simply being true
        to their charter, which is to turn as big a profit, as
        possible, resources and populations be damned. We need real
        leaders, not Warren Buffet and a bunch of unethical
        salesmen, running this country.

        ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
        <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, <noozguru@...>
        <mailto:noozguru@...> wrote :

        One of the ways of doing it would be guaranteed annual
        income. That's a safety net and keeps people from becoming
        desperate.  In fact the crime reduction it might produce
        might pay for it.  You can look up the different countries
        implementing it and see how they are going to pay for it.
        Otherwise limit how much money anyone can have because we're
        seeing that billionaires are mentally ill and don't deserve
        the power they wield.

        Americans are so brainwashed with a Tarzan like "capitalism
        good, socialism bad" meme that its difficult to get any
        decent change and it'll just send us back to the middle ages
        where there are two classes the extremely wealthy and the
        extremely poor.  Don't stand for it!

        Nothing brings this out more than than the holiday season or
        "Crassmust".


        On 11/22/2014 10:20 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@...
        <mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@...> [FairfieldLife] wrote:

            Yes, but I don't know how that would be possible. This
            area I now live in, was a paradise for the natives, for
            3,000 years - no inter-tribal warfare, and absolute
            respect for territorial boundaries. But, they had
            nothing, and lived entirely off the land. I like my
            tech, and modern life, and not sure how that would
            happen, without monetary rewards.

            ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
            <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, <noozguru@...>
            <mailto:noozguru@...> wrote :

            People sure are desperate for making money so they come
            up with their weirdest ideas.  If there is a future
            it's going to be VERY, VERY weird.  Just think what a
            nicer world this would be if people didn't have to
            worry about making money.

            On 11/22/2014 08:11 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@...
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