enlightenment is achievable, by anyone, using the techniques of TM and the TM 

This is a delusion - no one has ever become enlightened doing TM - ever, in the 
nearly 60 years TM has existed. No one. The anger and vituperation you exhibit 
in your writings are indicative of your lack of enlightenment as defined by 
Marshy himself. I am not saying enlightenment can't occur in someone practicing 
TM, but much more prevalent are the 90% of TM initiates who quit TM in the 
first year, more, much more prevalent are the scores of people left who do TM 
and have flat to no experiences and those who have so-called "good" experiences 
yet remain ignorance and those few who have fabulous experiences that always 
come to an end with time and those who go nuts or kill themselves or become 
basket cases through TM's negative side effects, called unstressing.

      From: "fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 10:00 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of "Do less but accomplish more"
    If I boil this down, there is a familiar, and tiresome, challenge here - Is 
Jim's enlightenment real? Specifically his reports of 24/7 silence? Can the two 
even be equated? 
Here is my esteemed answer: Who cares? I don't. I've written volumes about my 
experience, far more than the snippet below. Knock yourself out dude, trying to 
prove my enlightenment, one way or the other. 
My point has always been that enlightenment is achievable, by anyone, using the 
techniques of TM and the TM Sidhis. If I can do it, anyone can. Enlightenment 
is a natural state of consciousness.
That's the point. Now, stay on point - 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <anartaxius@...> wrote :

This is in regard to the faux enlightenment call that Barry makes in regard to 
Jim. Now I do not know what Barry experiences, or what Jim experiences, but 
Barry always seems to me more in control of what he says than Jim. At any rate 
the exchanges between these two would not probably pass muster as a discussion 
that had anything to do with enlightenment, but Barry is not claiming that this 
is what it is about, while Jim seems to be promoting the exchange as a 
demonstration of enlightenment (Jim) versus ignorance (Barry).
Jim said the following (emphasis in the original):

"Enlightenment" is simply defined as life, accompanied by eternal and deep 
silence, Being, during any state of consciousness. End of story. There are no 
automatic attributes beyond that, as the universe takes care of the rest. 
Anyone can gain enlightenment, and with that, their individuality will always 
express enlightenment. To try for some sort of personal algorithm beyond that, 
is a fool's errand; better to focus on your own path, than try to come up with 
any comprehensive list of personal attributes. Silence in activity, always. 

In the following the first four paragraphs are an edited down version of an 
essay by a Vedantist. The rather short attention span of most of the readers on 
FFL is the reason for the edits.
'Many teachers promote one of the most famous myths, that silence is somehow 
the ultimate teaching. While understanding the nature of the self in silence 
apparently finishes seeking for a few individuals, silence is certainly not 
superior to the skillful use of words in bringing about enlightenment. This is 
so because silence is in harmony, not in conflict, with self ignorance, as it 
is with everything.' 
'One can sit in silence without instruction for lifetimes and never realize 
that one is the silence. Knowledge, however, which is a legitimate means of 
knowledge, destroys self ignorance like light destroys darkness. Additionally 
no experience, including the experience of silence, can change thinking 
'An experience of non-duality may temporarily suspend thought or increase one's 
resolve to see oneself as limitless awareness, but the notion that the "I" is 
limited, inadequate, incomplete and separate is hard wired. It is only by 
diligent practice of the knowledge "I am limitless, ordinary awareness and not 
this body-mind" that the mind's understanding of reality gets in line with the 
nature of the self.' 
'Why are binding desires such a major problem for anyone seeking enlightenment? 
Because they disturb the mind to such a degree that contact with the self as it 
reflects in the mind is broken, making self inquiry impossible. It is 
contemplation on the reflection of the self in the mind that allows the 
intellect to investigate the self in line with the teachings of self inquiry 
and gain the knowledge "I am the self."
Some notes here: Anyone who happens to be a Buddhist needs to substitute 
another word for self in the above discussion, as the central feature of 
Buddhism is there is no self, meaning the individual self, person, that people 
think they are. Whereas in the above discussion, self refers to unbounded 
awareness. Now in Maharishi's schema, transcendental consciousness cannot count 
as unbounded awareness because in TC you have no thought and the concept 
'unbounded awareness' cannot be formulated, the concept is formulated once back 
in ordinary waking as a description of that state as it is remembered and 
compared to waking. 
Cosmic consciousness, also in Maharishi's scheme, is silence that accompanies 
activity, but it is walled off from the activity, so this cannot be unbounded 
awareness either, as it does not penetrate into the world of the senses, it is 
bound by this separation, and neither does more enhanced sensory experience add 
anything to the equation. 
Now even unity, where objects are appreciated in terms of 'I', that sense of 'I 
am that' still shows a lingering sense of separated identity, fragmentation, 
and decoherence of experience, otherwise it would not be necessary to say there 
is an "I" in relation to 'that'. For experience to be 'unbounded' the essential 
value of existence has to be equally present at every aspect of experience all 
the time as that experience. This is actually a no brainer, because ignorant or 
enlightened, the essential value of existence is always present as the 
experience, so it is something one has always known. That is, enlightenment 
does not bring anything new into experience. The things you do to get 
enlightened obviously do have a sometimes profound influence on experience, but 
enlightenment itself is nothing new under the sun.
It is also open to question whether the silence ascribed to enlightenment is 
really silence. The absence or reduction of mind chatter, does not necessarily 
indicate one is enlightened, there are many situations that can lead to the 
mind stopping and yet self ignorance remains. Partial awakening experiences can 
do this, and while they reveal to the mind something of the nature of 
enlightenment, they are not complete, and ignorance in the form of ego can 
continue to promote itself under the banner of enlightenment, which has not 
occurred, but which the mind mistakenly assumes has happened. Whatever 
experiences one has had, to become the knowledge that is called enlightenment, 
those experiences and their understanding have to be assimilated by the mind to 
the extent that the mind has that knowledge always available during whatever 
experience might be happening, because all the pre-existing states one has 
experienced prior, however grand they might have seemed, are past history, they 
are not there to interpret the currently happening experience.
Were I to characterise Barry, I would say he is a terrorist in Beliefland. A 
belief is the pretence you know something you do not know, an opinion, an idea 
not supported by facts, unlike an informed belief which is more of an 
hypothesis that can stand additional testing. Like balloons floating in Disney 
World, mere beliefs, even if tightly held, are airy ideas that have no 
substance, and Barry is the pin that attempts to pop the pretence. He seems to 
me quite aware of the pernicious effects of mere opinion. My beliefs, your 
beliefs, it does not matter to him. Popping beliefs is not always successful, 
as beliefs may have very tough hides. I would say regarding beliefs about 
enlightenment, that one of the worse is the idea that it can make you better 
than someone else. Because everyone has exactly 100% of what is required for 
enlightenment, this is not really possible. 
Because beliefs are the primary shield of the ego, and the ego is a fragile 
fiction itself, the attempt to pry beliefs away is at the very least annoying 
to the ego, and at worst terrifying, but here on FFL it is seldom, perhaps 
never, that anything resembling the level of terror would arise from such a 
process because everyone is mostly privately separated in time and distance and 
only assailable through text and occasionally pictures. 
So here on FFL, if someone says x and says this is striking terror into the 
heart of y, its baloney because it is not really threatening to the ego in this 
situation. What Barry needs is an isolation chamber with some additional 
accessories to put his subjects in so that their imaginary world could be more 
subtlety disassembled. That's not going to happen, so FFL will continue to be 
largely a forum where people complain about other people on the basis of 
whatever opinion is floating in the mind at the time, and Barry will highlight 
that particular stupid opinion, and the complaints will start flying.
And what is my interest in all this? I am arbitrarily taking sides, without 
stepping too far off the centre line. Since Barry is described as down and out, 
barely hanging on, I view this as a medical intervention even if the supposed 
ailment is a mistaken diagnosis, and I have no doctoral skills on top of that. 
Since I have the gift of prophesy, based on the observation of habitual 
occurrences, I predict Barry will continue to do what he does best, and that is 
almost absolute.
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