But Barry, that is the beauty of enlightenment, I don't have to believe it, for it to be true. And I certainly don't care whether you believe me or not. But, it is fun driving you nuts, with the knowledge that I am enlightened.
One of the things I find ridiculous about your issue, is that you keep wanting the enlightened person to be special somehow, and can't stand it, that I am fairly common person - no bells, or whistles. You also have a basic problem with me calling bullshit on you, and have nothing to say back, except some lame insult. You are not a creative person, and it shows. Just a tired old dude, in waking state, who tries to continue the fiction that he is better than the rest of us. What a joke. :-) :-) :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote : It seems to me that this issue can be easily resolved. If, in fact, the person Nabby is speaking about has attained enlightenment as the result of practicing the TM technique (and/or the TMSP), then one would think that the TM organization should want to be the first to proclaim the truth of this and inform the world of his momentous achievement. They should schedule a press conference and announce it to the whole world. However, this organization, while giving lectures for over 50 years now that proclaim loudly that they are selling "the fastest path to enlightenment on the planet," has NEVER given a press conference and pointed to a single individual and said, "This is an example of what we are selling. This person is enlightened, and they got that way by practicing the techniques we sell." So it's not exactly likely that they're going to hold such a press conference now. Just think about that 50+-year "track record," and how often the TMO has produced someone enlightened. NEVER. NOT ONCE. The TM organization likes to talk about the "millions" of people who have learned TM. But somehow, *over the course of 50 years*, that same TM organization has NEVER produced *a single person* who it can point to publicly and say that this person has actually succeeded in attaining enlightenment by practicing the "fastest path to it." NOT ONE. ZERO. BUPKUS. So I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for Bevan Morris or John Hagelin or "King" Tony Nader to come rushing in to support the person Nabby is speaking about and "certify" or "authorize" his supposed enlightenment. Not gonna happen. Therefore his claim is -- and shall remain -- just that, a claim. Furthermore, it's a claim that NO ONE believes. But that's NOT because of any generalized "anger and resentment" about the concept of enlightenment itself, or an equally generalized lack of belief that anyone, anywhere can attain it. And I can prove it. All you have to do is compare the person Nabby is talking about to, say, Adyashanti, a person who *also* claims to be enlightened. LOTS of people seem to believe Adyashanti. He's got a whole *movement* full of people who follow him and buy his books and attend meetings with him because they believe he is enlightened. So clearly the person Nabby is talking about on this forum does not have the same level of believability as Adyashanti. Heck, he doesn't have the same level of believability as Bill Cosby. So can you say, "Nice straw man argument, Nabby?" I think you can. Better luck next time... :-) From: nablusoss1008 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of "Do less but accomplish more" "I have, and am enlightened. Haven't you been reading what I write?" This is for obvious reasons the most provocative claim ever posted on FFL. Though many start TM to have better sleep and improve health the majority of young people including the posters here who tried TM, the idea that enlightenment was easily available to anyone so convincingly put forward by Maharishi was the main reason to start TM. When due to lack of perserverance and self-control they failed they blame the teacher rather than analyzing their own shortcomings. The anger and resentment bordering on hate Fleetwood meets here is the same Adyashanti describes in Buddhist circles where anyone claiming to living the goal is labeled a fraud. The Buddha made 500 souls enlightened yet Buddhists today seems incapable of seeing that this is not only old stories but a reality also today. A friend of mine who goes for prolonged stays in Fairfield every year to do Programme in the dome reports that Fleetwood is far from the only person living the natural state of enlightenment. Quite the contrary, the experiences of higher states of consciousness in daily life is getting stronger and stronger every year. But to the consternation of loosers like the Turq or MJ, the Movement will never point the finger at an Enlightened parading him like in a Circus and say; look here, he is enlightened, see what TM can do. This will never happen. For this reason, anyone living in freedom like Fleetwood who is willing to share his experiences is doing everyone a great favor and we should be thankful that he is willing to spend some of his time here. "The future of mankind is bright, and that is our delight" -Maharishi