There are many different definitions of enlightenment, depending on your 

 Many/most/all of the people that Rick interviews might meet the definition of 
enlightenment in one tradition, but not in another.

 Certainly, the TM people, with their highly enhanced and strong sense-of-self, 
wouldn't be counted as even somewhat enlightened in a tradition that says that 
sense-of-self is an illusion. 

 And of course, people who are in CC for a year (more or less the criteria that 
Fred uses) aren't necessarily in GC or UC, and even if they were, there's 
always room for further growth.

 Since they were likely culled f rom participants in the ongoing Invincible 
America course, we can be pretty sure that none of them have floated regularly 
during the course, or we'd have hard about it, so we can be certain they can't 
be in truly mature UC, as defined by MMY, because that would require them to be 
able to float at any time, and if they couldn't float during TM-SIdhis 
practice, they certainly weren't floating outside it, either..



---In, <mjackson74@...> wrote :

 And yet you don't accept the idea that most of the BATGAP interview people are 
enlightened. What's the difference between then And Fred's people? Both groups 
claim enlightenment and that is the only thing they have that may indicate they 
are enlightened - their word. In both cases I think the vast majority of them 
are either lying for attention or experiencing self delusion. Much like 


 From: nablusoss1008 <>
 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 5:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of "Do less but accomplish 
   If an enlightened person decides to join a study it's a good thing, he 
wasn't outed.  68 found by Fred Travis alone, and that's not counting those not 
in this study and all the people popping all over the globe these days. Perhaps 
500 enlightened was achieved long ago :-)



---In, <LEnglish5@...> wrote :

 Eh, Fred Travis recently said he's found (last I heard) 51 new enlightened 
subjects for a new study he's doing on the physiology of Cosmic Consciousness. 
That would be in addition to the 17 he studied in the first paper(s 
-physiological and psychological measures of the same groups of people were 
reported in two different papers).



---In, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :


---In, <> wrote :

 Whereas the Movement never would "out" an enlightened individual, there are 
many souls popping these days. How do you verify another persons enlightenment 
? You don't because you can't. Maharishi was asked this question and he 
answered that the person have to be enlightened himself to recognize 
enlightenment in the other. So all the beginners here at FFL; don't even try.
 "It is said that Lord Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. I think we 
will do better"
 His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

 Okay, so now we're getting somewhere. I think this must be true. Only an 
enlightened person would recognize enlightenment in another. "It takes one to 
know one." Who woulda thought.





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