There are many different definitions of enlightenment, depending on your tradition.
Many/most/all of the people that Rick interviews might meet the definition of enlightenment in one tradition, but not in another. Certainly, the TM people, with their highly enhanced and strong sense-of-self, wouldn't be counted as even somewhat enlightened in a tradition that says that sense-of-self is an illusion. And of course, people who are in CC for a year (more or less the criteria that Fred uses) aren't necessarily in GC or UC, and even if they were, there's always room for further growth. Since they were likely culled f rom participants in the ongoing Invincible America course, we can be pretty sure that none of them have floated regularly during the course, or we'd have hard about it, so we can be certain they can't be in truly mature UC, as defined by MMY, because that would require them to be able to float at any time, and if they couldn't float during TM-SIdhis practice, they certainly weren't floating outside it, either.. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : And yet you don't accept the idea that most of the BATGAP interview people are enlightened. What's the difference between then And Fred's people? Both groups claim enlightenment and that is the only thing they have that may indicate they are enlightened - their word. In both cases I think the vast majority of them are either lying for attention or experiencing self delusion. Much like yourself. From: nablusoss1008 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of "Do less but accomplish more" If an enlightened person decides to join a study it's a good thing, he wasn't outed. 68 found by Fred Travis alone, and that's not counting those not in this study and all the people popping all over the globe these days. Perhaps 500 enlightened was achieved long ago :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <LEnglish5@...> wrote : Eh, Fred Travis recently said he's found (last I heard) 51 new enlightened subjects for a new study he's doing on the physiology of Cosmic Consciousness. That would be in addition to the 17 he studied in the first paper(s -physiological and psychological measures of the same groups of people were reported in two different papers). http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : Whereas the Movement never would "out" an enlightened individual, there are many souls popping these days. How do you verify another persons enlightenment ? You don't because you can't. Maharishi was asked this question and he answered that the person have to be enlightened himself to recognize enlightenment in the other. So all the beginners here at FFL; don't even try. "It is said that Lord Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. I think we will do better" His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Okay, so now we're getting somewhere. I think this must be true. Only an enlightened person would recognize enlightenment in another. "It takes one to know one." Who woulda thought.