Hey Nabby
I do not know if someone became enlightened whether that would shake Turq's 
core beliefs. We are not really certain of what his beliefs are, in particular 
because he claims he is only presenting opinions. Also Maharishi said 
techniques can only take you to what he called god consciousness. And, finally 
that real enlightenment (brahman) comes 'in time', that is, if it comes. 
Therefore no practice gets you enlightened, it just sets the stage and then it 
is a waiting game. Now I have practised a number of different techniques over 
the years, and each has done something to forward my experience. 
But the most interesting experiences and the experience of progress came from 
moments that did not happen while practising a technique. And though TM was the 
technique I practised most consistently over the longest period of time, it 
cannot be said in the end, which one produced what experience, all were 
involved. All the techniques produced an experience of silence, some were far 
more powerful than TM in producing short periods of intense silence. TM 
provided a consistent wearing away of certain sorts of obstacles to experience. 
I would credit it with a large portion the grunt work of wearing away delusion 
(which includes spiritual delusions as well). Unlike some here I am not adverse 
to TM, but I also think it does not work well for everyone.
I do know someone who I believe has only practised TM and who I regard as 
awakened. But then I also have known others who did some other things and not 
TM, who I also regard as awakened. Fleetwood would not be able to convince 
Barry he is enlightened as Barry regards him as a narcissistic bore. There are 
many things about enlightenment that Fleetwood ought to be able to understand 
and he doesn't seem to understand. Now that may be because he is not the most 
articulate person in the world describing his experience. For example that 
video on Buddha at the Gas Pump is not an example of subtlety of expression. I 
think Jim has had some sort of profound awakening experience, but is at least 
partly misinterpreting its significance, and he seems unwilling to discuss the 
matter further. But simply saying you are enlightened and are in silence is not 
a convincing way to go about it, particularly if you use it as a hammer to 
proclaim others' ignorance and low station on the spiritual ladder. Awakening 
alone is not enlightenment, a sometimes long period of assimilation and further 
refinement and adjustments in understanding follows. 
As for enlightened dawn, I have so far read the first month's worth of 
enlightened_dawn11's posts. It certainly sounds like Jim/Fleetwood attempting 
to be some other person. In that first month, 'dawn' did not say he/she was a 
woman. But some of the posters thought it was a she at first. Vaj first 
addressed the poster as 'Ms. Enlightened', and further on Barry used the 
pronoun 'her' in referring to Dawn. Dawn did not correct those impressions. 
Also Dawn referred to Vaj and Barry as 'Mr. Vaj' and 'Mr. B'. And Dawn brought 
up the idea that Barry was a bully, just like Jim does. 
I have not gotten further into all those exchanges, but there is, it seems to 
me, as far as I have got, that it was easy to get the impression Dawn was a 
woman and also, that with hindsight, Dawn was Jim, which was the conclusion 
that Barry came to eventually, and Dawn denied it back then when confronted. 
Jim posted to the forum the previous year under his own name, and returned as 
Dawn saying he/she was new to the forum. I have not looked at the final posts 
Jim made under his own name, or most of the posts that Vaj and Barry made to or 
about Dawn, so I still have an incomplete picture. This was three or so years 
before I came onto the forum. I let you draw a conclusion from this brief 
sketch. Digging this information out of the old files is difficult, but it is 
kind of interesting, but I have not read enough of it to be completely certain.
      From: nablusoss1008 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 9:14 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
   
    As pointed out by several posters here, only the Turq believes Fleetwood 
posted as "enlightened dawn". The truth of the matter is that anyone claiming 
enlightenment from TM shakes the Turq's core belief : If I didn't make it no 
one else can. He choose to forget that his shot at it was half-hearted and 
lasted only a few years. When someone like Fleetwood comes along he is reminded 
of a wasted life and as we can see in almost every post here these days, 
becomes so angry he makes things up to the degree he believes in it. Instead of 
angry at Fleetwood and Richard reminding this poor fellow of his wasted life he 
should be grateful. Though 70 years old he could still pick up his mantra and 
make something useful out of his remaining years. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <punditster@...> wrote :

On 11/24/2014 4:21 PM, TurquoiseBeeturquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

 The only sense that Ican make of it is that Jim had a total mental 
breakdownduring that period, and actually believed he *was* awoman. 
 >
Maybe it's time for you to just keep your bigpie hole shut about Jim. Almost 
everyone on this forum is prettyfed up with your phoney bullshit, Barry. Do I 
make myself clear?

"Over the years, I saw him levitate, as in sitting in lotus andjust lifting up 
off the chair and hovering there in midair forminutes at a time, sometimes 
telling a joke the whole time.  Orin the desert, he'd just step up off the sand 
and onto a"staircase" that wasn't there, and just climb up and down it fora 
while, several feet above the ground." - BarryWright

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