As I remember it, Maharishi's very definition of what made him "king material" 
was that he *didn't act AT ALL*. He "governed from the level of silence," 
meaning that he didn't DO *anything*.
Which, BTW, is not without precedent in Maharishi's TMO. Back in the 
mid-to-late 70s, there was a time when MMY declared that all decisions for the 
US had to be made by a committee. I've forgotten who exactly was on it; Jerry 
was part of it but by definition neither he nor anyone else was "in charge" and 
able to make a final decision about anything. It had to be a decision reached 
by *all* of them, or no decision was made.
The result (and I even remember Jerry joking with me about this in private, and 
agreeing 100% with my analysis) was that absolutely nothing ever WAS decided. 
The committee, whoever they were, just dawdled and argued and diddle-assed 
around until the problem either resolved itself or died of old age. The entire 
time this "form of government" was in place, I don't remember a single decision 
being actually reached by this committee.
      From: "curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] George critique from the perspective of the 
movement
   
    I don't see any evidence that Tony works unilaterally like Maharishi did 
and the other guys just make his pronouncements. I could be wrong. Tony is the 
head of the movement like the Queen is the head of England.

Of course I could be wrong, can you think of anything he has done that looked 
like everything Maharishi did?



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <LEnglish5@...> wrote :

The thing is though, he DID have "one guy he trusted to be his replacement."
He had all the rajahs chant Sanskrit over and over and over and over... and 
over... and over... again in the weeks up until his death that reminded them 
that Tony abu Nader IS the new head of all aspects of the TM organization.
Perhaps someone can translate what the phrases meant?
card?

L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote :

--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote :

So what was the atmosphere like after? Were the people receptive or did they 
think he was full of vedic baloney?

I couldn't get a read because I had run into an old friend from MIU and his 
wife and turned all my attention on them. People were freak'n exhausted. Many 
people had traveled a long way. I had some people tentatively asked me what I 
thought, not wanting to commit. When I articulated some of the issues I saw 
they agreed enthusiastically as if I had given their feelings the words they 
needed. Most of these people have not been articulating skepticism, which is 
what I pour over my cereal every morning. But I only talked with a few people 
and most were certainly not on my burn the whole F'er down POV. They had more 
skin in the game than I do. I did articulate my opinion to Jerry and his wife 
but I didn't get the feeling that they were buying anything I was saying. They 
have their own mysterious compass about all this, had traveled from Cali, and 
had a lot more than just skin in this game. They had their entire lives. I 
wasn't trying to piss on their parade. The message was very sympathetic to 
Jerry's situation with the movement. He heard it all through a lifetime of 
experiences I have no idea about.

I thought I felt a change in the room when George went through the improbable 
list of his own incarnations, but it might just have been me. Now in the 
questions period there was one that was interesting. He said that in his 
understanding people would progress through incarnations of better and better 
lives and states of development, and although he loved Mark Twain, that seemed 
like a big step from Brighu, Maharishi's dad! It was an excellent point and 
George danced around about judging what state anyone was in in their life. But 
we all knew, his incarnations sequence was not an upgrade parade!

I think most of the people had lived with so much ambiguity in their lives with 
their own maturity (we were a grey haired group) that they might not have to 
make the kind of clear judgement I am comfortable with. I think they will just 
pick out something they liked and forget the rest. There was a lack of 
interaction between all of us that was a bit of a disconnect. I think people 
were kind of processing it and were not ready to react. I feel more able to put 
my feelings down today better. I am probably not alone. 




  From: "curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:18 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] George critique from the perspective of the movement
 
 I was so punch drunk last night from the Bataan Claims March I could only 
generate something flip. Thanks to anyone who enjoyed it and said so. I want to 
write two more posts about the day, one from the perspective of the Maharishi 
epistemology and one from my own.  

Maharishi's system had checks and balances. Like our US gov, he tried to create 
a trifecta of, personal experience, scriptural verification, a master's 
interpretation of that connection and sometimes, when it was convenient, 
scientific verification. (Or at least the appearance of that.) Although it is 
obvious that this system has the major flaw that the deck is stacked in the 
Guru's hands, it was Maharishi's party and when I was in TM, that was just fine 
with me. But even he, self confident to the grandiose as he was, never said:F 
the scriptures I am DA MAN. He paid lip service to a system that doesn't allow 
someone to step up and bypass the whole Vedic teaching and what his own guru 
taught to declare that there is a new sheriff in town. Maharishi then went 
ahead and did what he wanted like selling mantras for cash which is a violation 
of tradition and scripture, but he upheld the principle of following tradition 
while ignoring the inconvenient parts that limited cash flow. (Young biddies 
needs they fine new saris and chains before dey gets on dem private planes.)

George's message was a contradiction to the fundamental principles of 
Maharishi's system. It contradicted specific claims about the nature of reality 
that Maharishi explicitly taught. He had to paint it all as Maharishi himself 
realizing that he had been wrong to sell it. Maharishi's spiritual crisis after 
death was George saying, Maharishi was not the master we thought he was. He was 
a part of a team, and the whole team, (who George now conveniently represents) 
says THIS now. Maharishi never tried to speak with the combined authority of 
Guru Dev, Jehovah (who is Allah and not a personal aspect of God as Maharishi 
taught, but a dude like George) Jesus, Shankara (who was Vyasa's reincarnation 
contrary to Vedic scriptures and Maharishi) and each with a specific message to 
their people, through George.

I find this whole thing fascinating on so many levels. Seeing it through the 
mindset of my past TM is as interesting as seeing it though my own POV now as a 
philosophical exercise.

Because Maharishi did not have one guy who he trusted to be a replacement, he 
set up a committee. And this was another level of checks and balances that he 
put in place to keep one rich guy from going off the rails and pulling a 
"George" (patent pending) Pulling a George is attempting to elevate one's 
subjective experience beyond that, to usurp the whole philosophical system and 
turn it on its head. It is a variation of the pulling a 
"Carlson" (patent applied for and rejected) which is to claim to be in a state 
of consciousness that is on a par with your living guru and therefor capable of 
"improving" his system. The lesson here is to wait till your Guru is dead 
before busting either of these moves. 

Challenges like this to the movement's authority are bell weather. I was in a 
room with people who had FLOWN the F in to this event. I drove 10 minutes which 
is how it was possible for me. The discontent with the movement is the huge gap 
that will allow Georges to rise up bearing gifts of sandwiches and grandiose 
claims. I suspect that the perfect storm of his mental state and finances will 
be hard to duplicate. He dropped some cash on this. Well under 10 grand 
probably but more than 5. I'll bet his charming family (who checked me in) will 
think it was worth it if dad will now STFU finally! (can you imagine the dinner 
table discussion rolled eyes)





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