On Nov 22, 2005, at 10:19 AM, sparaig wrote:

--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




On Nov 22, 2005, at 9:41 AM, sparaig wrote:




Oh <nods eagerly>, obviously...


and



not aimed at relaxation, at least in the same sense that TM.



Ecstasy



dozens of times more powerful than orgasm can be profoundly



relaxing.







Which is why the heart rate went up so much of course...




I know people who've passed out.





Obviously a reliable sign of relaxation, rather than a stress-

response...



In this case, more ecstasy/samadhi than she could handle. It's  

actually considered one of the signs of samadhi. IIRC Amma used to 


do  


the same thing. There was another example given on this list of  

someone Andrew Cohen had visited. I'll see if I can find it.




Some traditions may hold this, and perhaps they are correct. On the 

other hand, perhaps they're not. We're arguing from two different 

perspectives here. I realize that my perspective may be incorrect, or 

it might not be the whole story and that other stories may be equally 

or more valid. Even so, all stories are still stories, no matter how 

much validity they seem to have.


It's just a sign.

Some people will get a few of the signs, some will get all of them; it varies from person to person.



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