Judy
What a crystal clear response detailing the levels of thought that are
behind your posts. If everyone were as well versed in the exigencies
of language including dialectec, infinite regress, etc. I suspect the
battles would still rage but in a very different way. You are to be
marveled at for having the mental stamina to carry though in the
fashion you do. 
Ken


--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> A major part of the difficulty in talking about
> enlightenment, it seems to me, is that folks--
> *especially* you, Barry--don't bother to think
> through what they're saying.
> 
> Describing  enlightenment is problematic enough
> when you knock yourself out to be precise in the
> way you use words.  When you use them *sloppily*,
> when you don't respect the exigiencies of language
> or the nature of dialectic, you introduce all 
> kinds of unnecessary obstacles (especially when
> you allow personal animus to make putting somebody
> down more important than communicating).
> 
> Even when you use paradox or contradiction or
> infinite regress--or imagery, analogy, and
> metaphor, for that matter--as pointers, you need
> to do it with awareness and precision and
> attention to context.  If you break a rule of
> language or logic to try to get around its
> limitations, you need to know that you're doing
> it and *why* you're doing it.  It has to be done
> purposefully if you want it to further rather
> than impede communication.
> 
> It isn't possible to describe enlightenment
> precisely, but that doesn't mean it can't be talked
> about at all.  It does mean that precision and care
> in the *way* you use language to communicate about
> enlightenment is crucial if the discussion is to be
> at all useful.
>







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