--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > In a message dated 11/26/05 2:28:28 P.M. Central Standard 
Time,  
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > > 
> > > Yep, I  thought would some of those reacting favorably to the 
> > > satirizing of the  French think it as humorous if we just made 
a
> > > change and substituted  the word Jews for French? And if not, 
> > > why not?  
> > > 
> > > Inappropriate since France has one of Europe's most anti  
> Semitic 
> > > populations.
> >
> > so...are they more, or less, anti-Semitic than you are anti-
French?
> 

> Well said.  I live in France.  The French are no more
> antisemitic than Americans are antiFrench or antiArab,
> probably much less so, because their whole society is
> based on diversity and living with that diversity.
> What creates the opposite impression is the media,
> which jumps on each case of nut-case antisemitism as
> if it represented a trend, which it does not.  The
> whole population is outraged at each incident, but
> they're being as victimized by the media as the real
> victims are by the nutcases.
> 

**********************

>From "Paris: The Biography of a City," by Colin Jones, Viking Press 
2004:

"Jews have a long Parisian history: Jewish and Syrian traders are 
recorded as having lived in the city in Merovingian times, and the 
subsequent growth, economic prosperity and demographic vitality of 
the city in the Middle Ages caused the emergence of a strong Jewish 
community here. Anti-Semitism, however has a long Parisian history 
too. Throughout the Middle Ages the Jewish community was subject to 
bouts of persecution. Kings who took measures against the Jews 
ranged from the most pious -- Saint Louis, for example, who burnt 
twenty-four cartloads of talmudic manuscripts on the Place de Greve 
and obliged Jews to wear a distinguishing badge (a little red 
wheel) -- to the most nakedly rapacious -- Philip IV, for example, 
who expelled Jews from France in 1306, though not without first 
sequestrating their goods....A list of Jews in Paris in 1715 gives 
only nineteen names....The virulence of anti-Semitic attacks on the 
Jews by the far Right during and in the aftermath of the Dreyfus 
Affair led to a further concentration of jews in the Marais, as if 
in self-protection....The Jewish concentration in the Marais made 
the application of Vichy laws by the French police all the 
easier..." (p 420-1)


> Me, I find it interesting that the country that *knew*
> what was happening to the Jews in Europe and did
> nothing about it and said nothing about until *after*
> the war now pretends to take the high moral ground
> when it comes to antisemitism.  That's America, if
> you haven't studied your history.  The same country
> that has one of the most shameful histories of bigotry
> on the planet with regard to its own minorities.
> 
> There IS a backlash against *Israel* in Europe, but
> that should not be confused with antisemitism.  The
> state of Israel and its current set of policies 
> would be soundly condemned by the whole world if
> it *weren't* for the boogeyman of "antisemitism,"
> which gets trotted out every time someone criticizes
> a government which proudly boasts of an official
> policy that involves assassination, dropping bombs
> on civilians to kill one person on their "enemies
> list," etc.
> 
> The bottom line in Europe is one that Americans just
> don't want to deal with because they can't cope with
> it.  In polls taken over the last couple of years,
> the two nations considered by most of the population
> as the most dangerous on the planet, and the most
> likely to cause the destruction of that planet, are
> the United States and Israel.  Everybody knows it
> but (seemingly) the people who live there.
>






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