post the link to the mum speech please
From: "lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
As I pointed out, the lead author (who also wrote the response in the
Letters to the Editor), is now pretty good friends with Schneider and announced
at the MUM speech he gave that he was doing his own research on TM.
Coincidentally enough, the research the he will be doing is exactly of the kind
that he says needs to be done to boost TM's rating, should it find that TM
*does* have a positive effect on BP.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote :
Which shows that the TM leaders and their medical shills like that jack-ass Bob
Schneider are greedy for nothing less than a world wide endorsement of TM as
the sovereign remedy to cure all society's ills and all man's diseases.
And a few other excerpts from the letter:
"About practicality, there is a marked difference between providing atreatment
in a randomized controlled trial and referringunselected patients with
hypertension for TMtraining in clinical practice. TM is also more expensive
than otherapproaches($1500), and access to certified training may bemore
limited. For example, the Cleveland area has only 2 listed sitescoveringa
population of ≈2 million people
We objectively and fairlypresented the published data about the lowering of BP
from TM. Itsefficacy was indeed shown tobe on par with some other alternative
approacheswhen cross-comparing summary meta-analyses results (although few
directcomparisonsare available). We clearly stated that mostapproaches have
modest efficacy (not just TM), and that patientsrequiring >10mm Hg reductions
should be monitored closely.
TM was notinvented to lower BP. We acknowledge that meditation techniques
mayoffer numerous benefits to people. Nevertheless,we believe that existing
limitations need to beaddressed before revisiting a higher class of
recommendation concerningTMfor the sole purposes of managing high BP"
Had I been the doctor replying to Greedy Bob's request to mark TM as being the
be all and end all of life, I would have concluded the letter by saying "Bob
Schneider can kiss my ass, not on the left side and not on the right side, but
right down the middle."
From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Mind of the Meditator"
In case you hadn't noticed, the lead author of the American Heart Association
report that said that TM was (and still is two years later, even after
revisions) the only form of meditation that the AHA says can be recommended by
doctors for the treatment of hypertension is now pretty good friends with
Robert Schneider, has appeared on the same stage with him, and has announced
that he is doing his own study on TM and hypertension.
He's also recently published an article discussing when to recommend
alternative therapies for hypertension.
When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management of High
Blood Pressure.
| |
| | When and How to Recommend "Alternative Approaches" in the Management
of High Blood ... 1. Am J Med. 2015 Jan 30. pii: S0002-9343(15)00079-0.
doi:10.1016/j.amjmed.2014.12.029. [Epub ahead of print] | |
| View on www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov | Preview by Yahoo |
| |
When discussing TM research in a formal response to Robert Schneider's request
for an upgrade to the AHA's evaluation of TM, he politely refused but said:
We do agree that TM is unique in the robustness and quality of evidence among
meditation techniques for BP-lowering
http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/62/6/e43.full
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :
Let's not forget its power as advertising. Everyone knows science carries
weight so being able to say you have 4000 studies published in 750 peer
reviewed journals is a big help with the apparent credibility. No matter how
well or not it stands up, and a lot of it is crap. Some of the newer stuff is
better but they make unreasonable claims for it and even had to be told to stop
using some results from the AMA because they simply weren't true.
They totally blew it when they tried to stop non-accredited TM teachers from
using the same research in their literature though. What happened about that I
wonder?
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