Dear Salyavin, No it is not very likely to happen, unless there is an evident cultural change on FFL towards something that is kinder towards collaborative thinking. A problem with what you hope for is that the dominant communal culture of the FFL list is manifestly not trustworthy nearly enough to have considered thoughtful discourse generally. The place has been made way too toxic by some few writers in style for there to be substantial material posted here for considered discussion about the community. I have a lot of things that come to my mailbox all the time that are extremely interesting and relevant but it is just not worth the abuse that would come from sharing them on FFL as it is now. I hope that will change, -JaiGuruYou
salyavin808 hopes: I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <rick@...> wrote : I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this forum, including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them would require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation. So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. Nicely put. I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. I think it would do Buck good to have something to contribute rather than just whining about what everyone else talks about. How is the mental health group coming along? What are the pundits up to? Are new people moving in to replace those who move on? Anything will do. You never know, it might spark a conversation which is what we are sitting here waiting for. Willy and Seventhray need to be set free though. There isn't any way anything they write now could be seen to be constructive. They contribute nothing except entropy. I admire your optimism if you think they'll change but it's been a long time and a waste of life for the pair of them. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots.......because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His "go figure" would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get "up" when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly. I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <rick@...> wrote : I don’t know whether anyone could fairly and objectively moderate this forum, including myself. Rules can be conceived and written, but enforcing them would require constant monitoring and decision-making. The judgments would necessarily be very subjective. Some offenses would be so egregious as to be clear-cut, but most would be some shade of grey. It would be a thankless full-time job, performed poorly. Most FFL participants would probably not appreciate it, and would vote for a return to the days of no moderation. So I guess FFL will continue to be a bunch of rough stones in a tumbler, gradually and painfully chipping away at one another’s rough edges, and perhaps eventually becoming smooth. Nicely put. I think the only thing , missing here is actual news from Fairfield. Maybe yourself or Buck (I'm hoping Buck) could fill us in on movement activities. I think it would do Buck good to have something to contribute rather than just whining about what everyone else talks about. How is the mental health group coming along? What are the pundits up to? Are new people moving in to replace those who move on? Anything will do. You never know, it might spark a conversation which is what we are sitting here waiting for. Willy and Seventhray need to be set free though. There isn't any way anything they write now could be seen to be constructive. They contribute nothing except entropy. I admire your optimism if you think they'll change but it's been a long time and a waste of life for the pair of them. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 4:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] To whom should Rick give FFL? It's a shame that this joint isn't something much better. Sorry, but Rick's hands-off policy is the basis of it. Rick, I'm sure you are UP-TIGHT about whom you'll next interview at BATGAP, but why didn't you have this same zeal for righteousness when it came to shaping the FFL experience? Instead you've let every miscreant throw shit-pies into the faces of some very solid thinkers. A few simple rules could have been applied by a hands-ON policy, and the posters would have learned to be civil enough. Clearly the trolls have sundered the very idea of community. Allowing them to be, well, vicious, is the very heart of the wrongness here. And some of the best people here have been as wickedly abrasive as any of the others. I'm guilty, of course, but WOULD I HAVE BEEN such a shit-heel here if there'd been some discipline laid on all of us? I DON'T THINK SO. So who would be a good moderator that could keep the hate-addicts from puking acid-chime everywhere? And here's the strange part: almost anyone here could easily be the best moderator ever if but the intent and the power were there. Does anyone care about the potential of FFL enough to try to suss out a neo-POV about our agenda here? Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, now we wait for Willy to say something which clearly indicates that he thinks I'm a fucking diseased turd saturated with maggots.......because HE PROJECTS. If I were a mod, and I don't want to be, but if I were, Willy's unkindness would be punished severely. As would be my above jab at him. But his stupidity and puffed up ego would be welcomed under my rule. His "go figure" would have him outted from here for a year at least. That would be my standard for troll derisiveness. Let's pretend FFL is a nice place and see how we'd handle this issue of having a Moral and Psychologically Supportive moderator here. Suggestions? I would vote for Judy in heartbeat -- didn't we all get "up" when she came back -- even though she was still the same old crab? I would even let Jim take over if he but did the policing fairly.
