I can't disagree with any of your points, Xeno, or really add to them, so I
won't even try.
What I will comment on is my amused anticipation of the display of "ego
centered mind" and the "narcissist's dream" and the "self importance in an
immature mind" we have in store for us as Jimbo melts down in response to
Curtis calling him on his claim over on The_Leak. That's really going to be fun
to watch. :-)
From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again?
Part of the problem in the TM sphere is the Hindu-derived language. The
word 'self' to any average person is a tag for the ego. Then if you say 'self'
becomes 'Self' the ego-centred mind really tends to hear 'ego becomes EGO'. It
is not that 'self' and 'Self' are really conceptually the same, but that 'you'
(the ego) will become 'Self', so that implies to the ego that it will be
transformed into 'Self', when in fact, it will be eventually shunted aside, and
at least substantially destroyed, something the ego never wants to happen.
Buddha I think made the idea a bit more workable by just saying there is no
self, there is only whatever, something that cannot be described. In some ways
even Christianity is more workable in that the individual is humbled before its
concept of god, a means to suppress ego. So in a way the Hindu terminology is a
narcissist's dream, in that it tends to mistakenly foster self importance in an
immature mind.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote :
From: aryavazhi <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote :
Srijau seems to be the very prototype of the cultist who has been told most of
his life how incredibly important he and other members of his cult are to the
universe, and now that he's getting old and nearing death, he's beginning to
panic about it. He thinks, "What if I'm *not* important? What if I'm <gulp>
*ordinary*? Could I possibly have wasted my life?"
YES , YES, YES. The thing is here, Barry, that many TB TMers, will immediately
filter out what you just said, as negative and therefor nonspiritual.
Thanks for getting it. My comments were not meant to dump on Srijau per se, but
to bring up the elephant in the room -- this issue of self-importance, and how
that was *cultivated* in TMers rather than lessened. He's just a clear example
of it, that's all.
The entire TMO "path" was about Maharishi trying to convince people how
important and special they were. He did this because that kept them on the hook
contributing money and adoration -- both of which he was addicted to. But it's
also directly opposed to more evolved teachings, which as you say emphasize the
*reduction* of self-importance, not the development of it.
IMO the "why" of why people like Srijau and Nabby and Jimbo and Judy and Steve
get so crazy at the things we say is NOT really that we're badrapping TM or
Maharishi, but that we're consistently puncturing the balloons of *their*
self-important egos, and reminding *them* how ordinary they are. After decades
of being told the opposite, they go more than a little crazy when presented
with a more realistic view of themselves than the one they were given by
Maharishi.
The reason is obviously, that people in TM are not really taught about the
traps of the ego in spiritual life. They are usually not aware, that 'feeling
special' or 'not ordinary', is just another ego trap, that often accompany
spiritual teachings. Teachers, who are aware of this trap, teach this to their
students, and strip off any of the trappings of spirituality, like special
clothing, spiritual titles etc. For years initiators had a special dress code,
like white or creme colored suits, (after the dark blue ones), and people are
addressed in a certain was, just remember the 'Knowers of reality', Governors,
Sidha, Raja etc.
There is no concept of ego and ego death around TM, instead, we have just
recently seen an article where the author boasted that this wasn't necessary in
TM, instead the 'Cosmic Ego' would be developed, and this was so much a better
path, etc, again appealing to ego, really.
You and I have encountered teachers who lay stress on being 'normal' and lead
an 'ordinary' life, rejecting elitist thinking as one of the main ego traps in
spirituality. And you always get flak for it.
Yup. And the funniest part is that the more I point out how *not special* TMers
really are, the more they interpret that as me claiming to be special. To them,
being on a spiritual path is *synonymous* with feeling special. They cannot
conceive of someone being on a spiritual path and not only not wanting to be
more "special," but to become less so.
I am actually grateful to TM as a practice, but TMers are very naive about this
issue.
I'm grateful to "TM as a practice" the way I'm grateful for being taught to
read in kindergarten. TM is a very, very, very, very, very basic and
introductory practice, but hey! we all have to start somewhere, and TM provided
that start for me. I'm just happy that I outgrew it quickly, as opposed to some
here who have been taking the same kindergarten courses for decades now, while
considering them "the highest teachings."
These thoughts are less pleasant than believing that he's the bees' knees,
cosmically speaking, so he lashes out at anyone who challenges the beliefs that
make him think he's important. It's the same as Nabby's old act, only even more
clueless because Srijau doesn't seem to have been allowed out of the asylum to
interface with the real world as often as Nabby was.
From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 8:42
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote :
Again, Sri, no one has any idea what you are referring to since you don't
include the previous message in your reply
Not paying attention is he?
He's probably refering to my remarks on this clear implication:
If the quake had struck at night or the morning hours the death toll would have
in fact been in the hundreds of thousands. These village homes are largely made
of mud and stone with no mortar and they simply crumbled in a heartbeat. There
is no way to get around it… the Himalayas is one of the most seismically active
areas of the world.. In fact this earthquake moved Kathmandu about 10 feet
south and raised the Valley up about 3 feet… all in one go.. (Mount Everest
sank by about an inch…) So, when you consider the Laws Of Nature, it is in fact
almost a miracle that the damage occurred in a relatively narrow window of the
day and day of the week that could mitigate such a potential calamity. People
here are very much aware of this and deeply grateful that Nature’s timing was
as kind as it was.. This is not to belie the extent of the suffering and
destruction.. It IS MASSIVE, but it could have been so very much worse. Now
that is interesting from our perspective in that these days in Nepal there are
very many Maharishi Yagyas going on…
And as we all know, the TMO claims responsibility for the end of apartheid and
the fall of the Berlin wall. But not officially, oh no. They aren't that
stupid, stuff like this is passed around in hushed tones of awe and reverence.
The secret knowing of the True Believer who also knows that the rest of the
world would stand slack jawed with astonishment at the level of hubris on
display should they really start to admit what they really think.
I know Sri, I used to work there.
From: "srijau@..." <srijau@...>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 8:27 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: CERN Again?
This is absolutely a false claim with no foundation in fact. It is absolutely
typical of the kind of bold lies that are posted here, and note the dishonest
argument that alludes falsely to claims about Vastu and earthquakes which were
never made.
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