Activated, the Embodiment of spirituality can take years but is within the range of experience depending on the condition of the subtle system of a person and where they start from. Is a reason why in teaching people new to meditation they don't want people high on drugs, alcohol etc or psychotropic drugs that can tear or shear the subtle system where smutty dark densenesses put in the system obstruct from the experience of what is happening spiritually when one meditates. [That got figured out by experience as Maharishi came to the West and found peoples un-able to transcend due to their drug use.} Aspects of the drug use can tear up or tear open or open up the subtle system, depending on the person, it can open things up but also can tear the fabric of the subtle system damaging or ripping the integrity of the person and such that some can lose or even damage filters or have no filters between the worlds. It is not a judgment but just condition of subtle bodies in relation to the physical body, and the soul in relation to the physical body. So it is. -JaiGuruYou!
---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : The range of experience is depending on many aspects of life and preparation. Likewise could have people meditating 40 years still needing maturation of spiritual embodiment in the subtle bodies. For some it would be sufficient prep for activation to learn how to be a good person, as in “the ties that bind” in life, .. a path of one of the 8 limbs that can bring refinement of the subtle system for embodiment, for bringing transcendence down in to the bodies of the system. This being a good person becomes a group project like some yoga of social sciences and ethics as helpful preparatory to transcendence activation and refinement of the subtle system beyond just transcendence and the upper fields. ---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Thank Being in evolution for 'tradition' that pulls you along hooked in. When people fall away the mercy of nature is that opportunity tries to rediscover. It's a mercy. Look back and forward, meditators will be amazing beings that will be glorious for the recurring activations that occurs in life. Yes there is a difference between bright and dim in a nervous system. It is so hopeful, merciful. ---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Activated alignment of spiritual energy in the subtle system in learning to meditate in a tradition can come with mastership -a master line. You betcha. The puja with its invocations shifts alignment to a tradition, invoking the tradition saying “come here, this is the person”, in grace. In the case of the TM puja it is not invoking MMY but back to a tradition. The experience then is activated in the subtle body and the soul. It is an amazing thing to be in the middle of. It is way different by experience than learning from reading a book or something. ---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Well yes, activated, that was my clear experience as I was taught to meditate. That was not an implant per se. Yes I read the classics and the transcendentalists before I learned to properly meditate and experience transcendence. Went to Methodist Church Sunday some as a kid growing up to see it. Quaker Meeting with my people. Let us posit 'yes' that some thing gets activated whence one transcends for sake of discussion for the moment. It clearly did for me when I sat with a geeky guy who did the puja and taught me to meditate. It was pretty clear from then. And, broaden for sake of discussion to simply learning an effective transcendent meditation then activating some things spiritual in people that are fine and okay. Did you listen to that interview by Rick of Karunamayi on Batgap.com? ..Okay, not every meditation is suited to everyone, it depends on the person but several paths lead in the same direction of refinement. But yes, an effective 'transcending' meditation and its experience changes things in the subtle bodies of the system. 'Implant' is the wrong word or connotation for that activation in the subtle system as spirituality in human experience. 'Implant' or 'hook' as signatures are too loaded of words. It is not science fiction or medical implant or hook. But yes joining a group may place an energetic implant as socio-psychologic hook as emotional or mental forms in the system; and some TM'ers, depending on the person, may have something of that which could be definable. Obviously depends on the person. But that is cultural and different from the activation that comes with an effective transcendent experience in the system and the two deserve to be sorted out from each other in discussion. It is a fair discussion. ---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Really good observation. Yep, is largely just natural law. A will as large Nature to reveal herself in human life. It is a flow in nature to experience itself. In human life that is what transcendentalism is and transcendentalists are about spiritually. Everyone will come to see it at least in the end. JaiGuruYou! Activated in the energy field of life it is nothing you'll get rid of. Even the 'anti-TM'ers' and 'anti-cultists', as you say below. "Then, then, then I rose. Then first humanity triumphant passed the crystal ports of light, And seized eternal youth. Man, all immortal, hail, hail! Heaven, all lavish of strange gifts to man, Thine's all the glory, man's the boundless bliss." aryavazhi writes: I had a friend, an old TM teacher like me, who met some kind of a clearvoyant, telling him that he had a TM implant in his brain, despite the fact that he had left the movement, and surely had adopted his own opinions on a number of things. He asked me at the time what I thought of it. Now I am not really a believer in the implant idea, you know there could be all kind of implants, from physical, to subtle physical etc. So I told him so. But after leaving TM, some decades ago, I soon realized, that not only stopping formal TM would make me into a non-TMer. I realized that the concepts and ideas, the ideology, if you want the 'brainwashing' has still left traces, expectations, even in the subconscious. I had to make a conscious effort to rid myself of some of the TM concepts, which were like hooks clinging to me. I did this to an extend, so that I could feel happy, and not 'miss' anything of my old TM environment, instead enjoying my new life, and my new spiritual discoveries fully. (That's what about I told my friend) But later the thought, that there may indeed be something of a TM implant, that still was people hooking up, didn't leave me. In fact, could this be one explanation, how people here on FFL, both TB TMers (who will of course deny they are TB), and anti-TMers alike are hooked to the same story? Infact could also anti-cultist be fighting the same implant, that TMers so vehemently defend? This is just a thought, I know, I will probably not get a lot of support for it, but could there be something to it?
