From: salyavin808 <[email protected]>

---In [email protected], <turquoiseb@...> wrote :

From: salyavin808 <[email protected]>

Who wouldn't go for it once they've brought everything else?

I like to think that I wouldn't have.
Probably not. I guess most of us have a limit somewhere but some do buy the 
whole shebang. Go figure. I think if it's your first apparently certain 
philosophical system you can buy the whole thing. A bit of prior knowledge and 
scepticism can save you form the worst perhaps...
This is very true. Cults form because of a particular trait of human psychology 
-- once we have given our trust to someone once, we are more likely to do so 
again. This can be a positive thing if you happen to run into someone 
trustworthy, because once he or she has earned your trust by accurately 
describing what the effects of a certain action will be, you tend to trust him 
or her about the outcome of future actions. 

Unfortunately, charlatans also take advantage of this human trait. They tell us 
something that will -- for most people -- turn out to be true, like "When you 
meditate your mind will calm down to some extent, and afterwards as a result 
you'll feel more relaxed and energetic." We were all told that by Maharishi, 
and it turned out to be true. But now fast-forward to the first time he told us 
something that *wasn't* true, such as "What I teach as the TM sidhis is 
actually what Patanjali was writing about" (it wasn't) and "If you perform them 
in a big group of people, the result will be such waves of Woo that it will 
cause world peace" (it didn't, and doesn't). 

I agree with you that skepticism can be healthy. It can enable someone who has 
been told a few true but obvious things by someone to step back and say "Wait a 
minute..." when he or she suddenly tells them something less obvious. Like "If 
you enter a building from the wrong direction it'll fuck up your day and cause 
Bad Things to happen" or "You should only trust Ayurvedic doctors because 
Western doctors dispense nothing but poison" or "If someone goes 'off the 
program' you should shun them and drive them out of your community." In 
retrospect, looking back on it, you wonder how *anyone* ever fell for horseshit 
like this. But many did. Some on this forum fell for it so hard that they still 
believe it. 

And it's all because they got into the HABIT of trusting someone who had 
suckered them into trusting him in the first place. They grew to trust him so 
thoroughly that when he told them that Britain was a nation of scorpions and 
that George W. Bush was a demon from Indian mythology they ignored all reason 
and rationality and actually believed it. 

I found my limit with jyotish which is how I got to hear about yagyas. Some guy 
at the academy I was a keen visitor to rang me up one night and asked for a 
donation for a yagya. I didn't know what one of them was and he told me he'd 
seen a jyotishee and been told that he had some bad karma returning and needed 
a yagya, which is a vedic ceremony he said, to correct it before it got to him.
This all came as a surprise to me as I didn't know the TMO was into astrology 
and the idea that it actually worked, and could tell you when bad karma was 
returning too, seemed astonishing given the way they go on about science.
But I thought he'd have to go to India for the ceremony as that is where they 
are carried out, but he said no, you just hand over the money and they do the 
ceremony. I asked how the beneficial effects got to you then and he said 
"Though the transcendent". I told him it wasn't the sort of thing I was 
interested in and hung up.
Finely honed bullshit detector yes? But I didn't make the connection there and 
then that the movement was steeped in this stuff and it stank to high heaven, 
so I co-existed with the idea that meditation would lead me to enlightenment 
but there was also a lot of BS hanging around the margins. As I got to know 
them better I sussed the cosmology and rejected the whole thing, except the 
meditation.
As I said, I was lucky in this regard and bailed early, before any of this 
garbage was served up by the TMO. At the time I left, they still hadn't even 
trotted out the "If you bounce on your butt in a group you'll bring about world 
peace" bit. The TM sidhis had been presented originally purely as a way to 
advance your own self-discovery, with not a single word about benefits they 
might have for others. But about the time I left a lot of the "early adopters" 
who had learned the TM sidhis early were beginning to notice that they *hadn't* 
done anything much to advance their self-discovery, except eat up a lot more 
time every day during which they could have been off doing something 
productive. 

A *lot* of these people started to walk away and leave the TM movement, about 
the same time I did and geezerfreak did. And from our perspective, what 
followed was the result of Maharishi  and the TMO *noticing* how many people 
were walking away and coming up with a new, improved scam. They realized that 
they couldn't continue to sell the TM sidhis as a "faster track to 
enlightenment" because nobody had become enlightened practicing them, so they 
changed the whole focus and changed the dogma and pretended that you weren't 
"really" doing the sidhis for yourself, but "for the world." And people bought 
it. 

Again, I like to think that I wouldn't have, had I still been around. But then 
I managed to break that habit of believing anything Maharishi said early, and 
when I found him saying things that *obviously* weren't true (and making a 
fortune from people believing them), I walked away. Now, 37 years later, I 
admit to rolling my eyes from time to time at people who bought *everything* he 
said (not to mention everything he sold them...for big bucks). But I do 
remember how willing I was to buy crazy shit back in the beginning, and so I 
earnestly thank whatever forces made me lucky enough to stop buying it early. 
 

  

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