On Dec 3, 2005, at 5:48 PM, anonymousff wrote:
--- In [email protected], Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> On Dec 3, 2005, at 2:32 PM, anonymousff wrote:
>
> > And I recognize some (a few, not like pages) of Mr. Pall's comments
> > are racist (more implied than stated I think, "my views are in line
> > with the Aryan Nation").
>
> Yes, I agree, there certainly is a lot of ambiguity
Does imlied mean "raises ambiguity" in Iowa? I want to be senstive to
regional differences in my writing.
> in being in line
> with the Aryan Nation. To help resolve that ambiguity I imagine he'll
> be getting bar-mitzvahed any day now.
At the rate hes going, he may try that.
Hey, I'll be glad to address the invitations for him when he does.
And for him, know his case history as you apparently do, are?
I guess I don't understand what you're asking here.
And just curious, have you ever met a rude long term TMer? > There are
plenty of ways of dealing with "that situation" other than rudeness,,
some more effective than others, depending on the person -- but damn,
in 30 years the poor TMer hasn't found it. Sometimes what OUGHT to be
is the same as WHAT IS.
Agreed. Yes, I have met rude long-term TMers.
> > And I am awed by his, to me,
> > heroic and constant search for things that will help heal such.
He has
> > outlined so many "trips" seeking healing. Its informative and
> > astonishing.
>
> What's astonishing is that after so much seeking, if that's what he's
> done, he has pretty much seemed to stay right where he is.
And you are clear on where he began? What abuse he had, for how long?
how it affected his social skills?
We are all shaped by our early experiences, Anon, and there is little we can do about it at that point. (And I would be willing to venture many if not most here had pretty horrible ones, which is one big reason we started TM to begin with.) But he's an adult now, and falling back on the age-old abuse-excuse doesn't fly in the real world, and it shouldn't here either.
And with all your seeking you are now dazzling and flawless? (I mean
you seem so to me, but I just was wondering if have some darker
moments too)
Thanks, but I have plenty of darker moments.
> > Is it our common practice to ridicule someone with a boken leg? "Hey
> > look at the gimp -- the way he hops and wobbles is soooo funny!" With
> > cancer? with a bad heart? Then why are we so quick to ridicule
someone
> > who admits to some psycho-social disabilities (and as if we all have
> > none), is so "on the program" in terms of pursuing therapies that he
> > finds to works, in a constant, regular and systematic way? I find his
> > fortitude inspiring.
>
> Tom asks for it, Anon. He sends hit-and-run posts and then ridicules
> people even *before* they respond--kind of preemptively, I guess you
> could say. I can't believe that is part of your definition of seeking.
> I hope not.
Again, from another angle, are you a psychiatrist? Have you diagnosed
Tom? Are you aware of his case history? If not, how can you say, x
number of years should have shaped him up just fine. How many 30 year
TMers do you know who are still way screwed up?
I didn't say anything about shaping up in X number of years. There is nothing to that effect in the quote above.
> > So his "present" state is not perfect. Whose is? So he has a "healing
> > reaction" now and then. Who hasn't. So his core personality may
not be
> > totally in synch with ours (whose is?).
> >
> > When I read Tom's posts, I just can't dwell or focus on his, IMO
> > fairly short, rants and "oddness". It just seems so transitory. I
find
> > him to be a bit of a courageous (taking a hard look at himself) and
> > dedicated (keeps climbing that hill of healing) guy. Why laugh at the
> > infirmities?
> >
> > And other than his short interludes of "whatever", he provides a lot
> > of good information ahd often humor.
>
> I must have missed those posts--really. To me they are all
> attention-seeking and about at the level of your average high-schooler
> (no insult meant to high-schoolers, of course).
>
> Sal
Yes, you may have missed a lot. He has posted over the years a lot of
interesting stuff. Maybe read the archives. His New Oreleans post was
maybe 90% thru the timeline of his posts.
You mean the one in which he gloated over the destruction of an entire city and wished more of the same on it? Yes, I agree, that was Tom at his finest, all right.
Sal
