From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 3:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Everything is Information Xeno, No. The point is that the universe functions as information in a virtual reality. It also means that Consciousness or the unified field is the main computer (the CPU) that runs this virtual reality. Logic would tell you that this virtual reality or information can't create itself. It has to be created by Somebody, which is Consciousness. How do you get from 'unified field' to 'consciousness' to 'somebody', all with capital starting letters? 'Unified field' in science is a physical construct. Logic can only process what you know, it doesn't tell you anything unless you plug in values. You are surmising that virtual reality or information must have some sort of creation process behind them. Why does it have to be a somebody? Consciousness is not a somebody. As the creator, it is only logical that Consciousness is the source of everything. As such, It has the quality of the Observer, the Process of Observing, and the Observed. Why? Because there is nobody else present. It is the Prime Mover. IOW, It attains the dynamic nature of the unified field, the samhita of the Rishi-Devata-Chandas. We know things because we are conscious, but that is far cry from it being the source of everything. If a light shines on an object in a dark room, then the object becomes visible, but one has to assume that the light and room and the object already existed, and the fact the light made us see it does not mean the light created the object.
Most scientists are still trapped in the objective universe paradigm. That's why they have an adverse reaction to the possibility that the universe is run by a subjective reality, Consciousness or the Unified Field. I do not know why people always say this. Science is the objective universe paradigm. Scientists are not trapped in it. It is the modus operandi of science. A scientist can investigate an autombile crash because the automobile is objective. Now if the automobile crash were subjective, in subjective space, and no physical automobile were present, how would they proceed to investigate the crash? The observer, observed, and process of observing illustration is to give temporary meaning to certain experiences people might have if they are seeking enlightenment. It is in fact also how science works, there is an observer, a scientist or a machine recording data about an event (like the LHC at CERN), there is what is observed, and the process of observations takes place in time from the beginning to the end of the observation. As far a consciousness is concerned it makes experience possible, but whether it is active or passive in that observation is another question. A nervous system seems to be required. And machines make observations and then we, with our consciousness observe what the machines recorded, but we don't know if the machine is conscious. If they are not then an observation might take place and yet that observation would remain forever unknown. The thing about unity as a spiritual phenomenon is consciousness and the physical world are not distinct, they are as distinct as they are in ordinary waking consciousness. It is only on the spiritual path that consciousness and the physical objective world seem to be different from one another. As you are speaking here of M's Hindu philosophy, I again re-quote for you from Vasistha, considered one of the greatest of Indian sages: 'But all this talk about who created this world and how it was created is intended only for the purpose of composing scriptures and expounding them: it is not based on truth... Descriptions of creation, etc., are given in the scriptures for the purpose of instructing disciples: do not let your mind be coloured by them. When you realise that which is indicated by the words, then naturally you will abandon the jugglery of words. In the infinite consciousness itself there is neither an intention nor the veil of delusion. But, that itself is before you as the world'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <anartaxius@...> wrote : Interesting. So this means that information rather than consciousness is the basis of the universe and our experience, that consciousness is an emergent property of information? Scientists would love this because it makes consciousness amenable to developing equations to explain its existence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <jr_esq@...> wrote : Xeno, Please, read my recent post to Salyavin regarding this thread. We've talked about this Information theory the other day. So, I believe it has some merit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <anartaxius@...> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <jr_esq@...> wrote : The universe is a virtual reality. The main computer is Consciousness, or the Unified Field. Tom Campbell discusses these ideas in the future of physics and humanity. JR, Yahoo Guidelines: Post Your Own Content. It's Okay to post other things, but write something about what you think about what you post that is not created by you instead of letting it stand in for what you think. I rarely watch videos because it takes more time than scanning text that people write themselves. I do not usually care what some video says, but I might respond to you if you write something that supports your view of whatever you are interested in. Why do YOU think the universe is a virtual reality? What is a virtual reality? How can consciousness BE a computer? 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