--- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- Irmeli Mattsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Peter > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > I think the point here is that one's credilbility > > lies > > > not in some sort of objective criteria we can all > > > agree upon. These allegations of sexual advances > > > and/or acts by MMY are believed by some and denied > > by > > > others. A lot of it has to do with our own concept > > of > > > what and who MMY is to us. Frankly, I see the > > sexual > > > allegations as true because of my own > > > belief/experience in the credibility of the > > accusers. > > > I still also find MMY to be an amazing man/guru > > who > > > has been the catalyst for profound changes in my > > > consciousness. Why he's poking around in the > > bushes of > > > CP's is beyond me! > > > > > **** > >Irmeli: Dr Pete I find really intriguing your understanding > > about MMY and > > enlightenment. > > You have explained many times how in enlightenment > > there is no `I'. > > And you have explained many times how you consider > > MMY to be an > > enlightened blazing Self, although he is also > > narcissistic and goofy > > in the personality department. > > > > When you say MMY to be an amazing man/guru, do you > > mean the > > narcissistic personality department? You couldn't > > refer to the `I' > > or self department, if there is no `I'? Or could > > you? > > > > In a state of localized conceptual and intellectual > > confusion I'm > > waiting for your answer. > > > >
> > Peter:I wouldn't want to leave you localized in conceptual > and intellectual confusion! MMY has a localized value > and an unbounded value to his being as everyone else > does. MMY's personality is just that, a personality > influenced/created by his unique and shared cultural > experiences. It has its narcissitic traits as both you > and I have talked about. But then there is an infinite > value which is completely awake to itself. In most > others this infinite value is only partially awake to > itself. For what ever reason (dharma, karma, frequent > high colonics), in MMY's presence, this infinite value > completely dominates. Any finite value of the > personality is experienced as false and insignificant > in this context of infinity. The finite value has a > dream-like falsenes to it: it's only a thought in this > "huge" infinity. I have the same experience with SSRS. > The only authentic difference between MMY and SSRS is > the personality. SSRS is "sweet" as MMY has called > him. He's a really nice guy. Very down to earth, open > and friendly. But the infinite value in both of them > is experienced in exactly the same way. There is no > difference between the two. This infinity eats any > boundary, any difference (it's poison, meditators > should watch out for it!). So for me MMY is both this > personality and infinity. Did that help? > **** Thank you for your thought out response. Your account makes sense to me. Have you seen this strong infinite value in some other persons than MMY and SSRS? I remember you having said that you don't perceive it in Ammachi. I did perceive that value rather strongly present in her. Are there possibly still some other persons, in whom you have sensed that kind of strong presence? A few years ago I saw an interview in TV. The young man interviewed there immediately captivated my attention, while I didn't know what the program was about. The man had a strong and innocent radiance in his face. He had deep blue eyes with strong cosmic infinity in his look and light curly hair coming to the shoulders. The first impression was: there is something angel like in that man. I started to listen to the interview. I found the man was a murderer, who had just been released from prison. He was there telling, how he was now a totally changed man. I was first impressed. But after listenening to his story a little bit longer, I realized that it all had happened too easily. The story the man was telling was most probably not true. More likely the young man was a full blown psychopath. So this mixture of the infinite value together with different kinds of personalities is really an enigma and can confuse people thoroughly. At least it is good to remember that the presence of the infinite value in a person doesn't make him a better person in relation to others, but he in spite of that may be capable of transmitting that value to others. The thing that has caused a lot of confusion in me with your expressions is because you apparently mean by no `I' actually the infinite value strongly present in a person. I again understand `I' to be the subject, the integrating property of sensations, emotions and thoughts to a whole with a continuity in a person. When this function fails people become severely insane, and when it is weak the person needs continuous confirmation of one's value and `I' from outside, which often means narcissism. When I look back at my own development the `I' has become clearly stronger: that is the integrating capacity of perceptions and sensations has become stronger and the capacity to perceive and act upon subtler aspects of reality in an integrated fashion has increased. The strong `I' has nothing to do with ego. And it has nothing to do with the `I' as a separate and independent entity. The opening up of subtler aspects of reality to awareness increases the infinite value in the `I'. The infinite value brings immense stability and strength and calm in the turmoil of life. When the `I' is strong enough you don't need to live a recluse life to experience on permanent basis infinity and deep calm, stability and bliss. Irmeli ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
