I posted Farrok's letter. I'm sorry if the wrong impression was given. The
letter was from
a gov in the UK. Farrokh simply forwarded it to me.
Daniel Jeffers
Message: 6
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 17:39:05 -0600
From: Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re:Re: Latest from Farrokh
Did Farrokh write the passage quoted beneath yours?
on 12/4/05 5:27 PM, at_man_and_brahman at
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wrote:
> I respect Farrokh's stand. I'm a little curious,
> though, about some of his remarks here.
>
> First, he is apparently of the Brigante school,
> thinking that the tomfoolery in the Movement
> is purely the fault of its administrators and not
> of the founder.
>
> I have an undergraduate background in physics
> and math, from MIU during the Hagelin years,
> and I am a long way from being able to touch
> Hagelin's level of math. It's unclear which works
> of Hagelin's Farrokh is criticizing: his two TM
> monographs ("Is Consciousness the Unified Field?"
> and "Restructuring Physics from Its Foundation in
> Light of Maharishi's Vedic Science") or his published
> high-energy physics papers.
>
> The former are not particularly mathematics-based,
> so a series of courses in math is not really the right
> foundation to critique them; a long series of
> graduate-level courses in high-energy physics,
> for which the math would be a prerequisite, would
> be, however. It doesn't sound as though Farrokh
> has taken such classes. Even if he had, the
> monographs do not attempt to construct a
> finite unified field theory, a central point in
> Farrokh's critique.
>
> Hagelin's published physics papers, similarly, do
> not attempt to construct a finite unified theory,
> nor do they discuss Vedic science. Hagelin's most
> celebrated mainstream work was in grand unified
> theory and superstrings.
>
> Maharishi has an undergrad background in physics,
> at least a working knowledge of "Maharishi's Vedic
> Science," and the experience of discussing physics
> with Hagelin for decades. If Farrokh is correct that
> Maharishi is an intellectual superstar, wouldn't
> Maharishi himself be the best judge of whether
> Hagelin is using his theories correctly?
>
> What does Farrokh think of Schanbacher's work?
> Clements'?
>
> Most notably, given that Farrokh has constructed
> "wonderfully elegant solutions" to the problems
> of "the dimensionality of space and the origin
> of the symmetries of the Standard Model," it's
> just a matter of time until he wins multiple
> Nobel prizes.
>
> That's pretty cool. You get on with your bad
> self, Farrokh!
>
> In this battle of crap vs crap, I think that
> Farrokh still has the upper hand, 'cause he
> makes sense in just about every other way.
>
> --- In [email protected], "tmforlife108"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> My own approach is somewhat different. I applaud those who take a
stand
>> against the crap and the nonsense we all have to endure within the
>> movement but I have chosen to take a stand against a different type
of
>> crap and the nonsense. I realised some time ago that the supposed
>> scientific analysis of the relationships between modern science and
>> Vedic science was in fact pseudo-scientific rubbish. Rather than
turn
>> around and walk away in disgust I resolved to do something about it.
So
>> I put myself through a series of courses in mathematics so that I
could
>> acquire the skills required. My reasoning being that although the
>> present analysis is total nonsense, if the insights of Vedic science
as
>> proposed by Maharishi are true then it ought to be possible to use
those
>> insights to guide one to solutions to the deepest problems of modern
>> physics. I've discovered that this inspiration is correct. But in a
very
>> unexpected way, or rather perhaps in a way that should have been
>> expected for anyone who has had any contact with Maharishi's
knowledge.
>> When cast in mathematical terms the insight that the ultimate
reality is
>> of transcendental nature suggests that there can be no finite
Unified
>> Field Theory. Also the insight that this transcendental reality can
be
>> experienced as if it were a sequence of experiences happening one
after
>> the other, as expressed in the Apurusheya Bhashya, has very
interesting
>> mathematical consequences. Taking this point of view, then some of
the
>> deepest problems of modern physics such as the dimensionality of
space
>> and the origin of the symmetries of the Standard Model have
wonderfully
>> elegant solutions. I recently presented a paper outlining these
ideas at
>> a conference in Europe, (where I took prize for best lecture), and
this
>> initial paper will be published next year. Though it's nice to get
some
>> appreciation from experts who are utterly disdainful of John
Hagelin,
>> much remains to be done. So it will be some time yet before a
complete
>> analysis will be possible.
>>
>> The interesting thing is that one can use use Maharishi's knowledge
to
>> solve these problems and hence give the knowledge true scientific
>> credibility while at the same time demolishing just about everything
>> John Hagelin has done. One wonders at the intellectual ineptitude
that
>> has allowed his ideas to gain credence within the movement. The more
I
>> study this field the more I find that his ideas are packed solid
with
>> errors of reasoning and elementary maths. I know of many
intelligent
>> people within the movement who have their doubts about John
Hagelin's
>> ideas and even more doubts about Tony Nader's ideas but fail to
speak
>> out for fear of punishment. However I do not think that he and
people
>> like him are in any way inherently bad people, it's just that the
>> organisational structure of the movement discourages intelligent
>> thought. It is the culture of fear within the movement that is
inimical
>> to genuine scientific enquiry and ultimately that culture of fear
has
>> its basis in Maharishi himself.
>>
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