--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > To all members:
> > 
> > I just had this thought this morning and may have relevance to 
> this 
> > forum.  The answer is "yes" because we dream.  Humans are the 
> product 
> > of the universe.  As such, we are the universe.  (Some 
> fundamentalists 
> > of any religion may have problems accepting this idea.)
> > 
> > We can even speculate that our dreams are the equivalent of the 
> worm 
> > holes the cosmologists are talking about.  Each time we dream we 
> create 
> > a new world or dimension.  Or, it could be that we travel to the 
> > various lokas as the vedic texts have written about.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > John R.
> >
> This reminds me of something I heard, could've been MMY who 
> said, 'if you can imagine it, it exists'. Also have had personal 
> experience of visiting both heavens and hells through my dreams...
>

I think I mentioned this before (and Robert Heinlein has fun with the 
concept in _Number of the Beast_): theoretical physics talks about 4 
possible levels of "meta-universe."

The first is simply the mathematical certainty that if the universe 
is really infinite than every possible combination of elementary 
particles exists somewhere, including exact duplicates of our own 
local (observable over the past 20 billion years since the big bang 
incident started the ball rolling locally) universe, which is a only 
a miniscule 20 billion light-years in radius (or whatever).

The second comes from the Quantum Mechanics "many worlds" 
interpretation which says that any and all possible Quantum 
Mechanical events take place every instant at every location 
throughout our universe, each of which is-part-of/creates it's own 
universe.

The third assumes that all possible values of all possible physical 
constants give rise to their own meta-universes of the first two 
types.

Finally, the fourth possible meta-meta-universe includes all possible 
mathematically consistent descriptions of existence. 

This last is a doozy, because "mathematically consistent" covers, 
well, everything that any creature, or meta-creature could "conceive" 
of, including any and all written/spoken/performed literature or 
dreams, for that matter.

In Heinlein's book, some people in the future create a drive that can 
take them to any possible universe and they put it in a futuristic 
mobile home. At one point, they travel to the Land of Oz, where the 
Good Witch of the East (I think) gives them a window in their 
bathroom that always looks out over the Emerald City, no matter 
where/when/whatever they are...


No-one can prove that any of these meta-universes exists, but they 
are all logical consequences of various assumptions about the 
mathematics that Physicists already use to describe Reality.








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