Should meditators have a position on this? So this being a spiritual list here, how would you advise a people who are spiritual like Fairfield, Iowa meditators to see this situation with the Mormon wingnut occupiers of our National Wildlife Refuge? This seems much more than just a civil conflict, but ideological spiritual/religious. -JaiGuruYou
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : Reading the news about these Captains Moroni, these occupiers are mixed up Mormon wingnuts. This is not between ranchers and our government. It is time to arrest and arraign these nutcakes for disturbing the peace and otherwise breaking the law. Might also help everyone learn how civil society and the constitution works if the Sheriff there would move now to enforce the law. I do not favor these hooligans occupying that place taking away the liberty of my access to our National Wildlife Refuge. I am all for peaceful resolution but it is time for the Sheriff there on the public's behalf to just move in there and re-open those lands there back up to the public. Just go in and put a direct end to this libertarian Shay's rebellion bullshit. Let the occupiers have their day in court to figure it out. Native American Tribe Says Oregon Armed Occupiers Are Desecrating Sacred Land http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land Native American Tribe Says Oregon Armed Occupiers A... http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land The Burns Paiute tribe is demanding that the anti-federalist militants leave its ancestral lands. Paiute legend says the tribe has lived in this area since "be... View on www.npr.org http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelfleba...@yahoo.com> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emily.mae50@...> wrote : You know...conflicts between ranchers and government have been going on for a long time. There are always competing interests over land and there will continue to be. Just like there are competing interests with respect to re-introducing wolves. You happen to think they're cause is valid and that their grievances are genuine; that's your opinion. The conservationists might disagree with you on what is "genuine." They *are* provoking confrontation—how can you say they aren't. That's funny. I hope you won't feel intimidated when the BLM protesters pull out their firearms, legally. :) I've gotta bow out...TTYL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : To my knowledge, the ranchers haven't threaten anyone or destroyed anything.They say that the guns are for their own protection. I don't know about Oregon but many states, I think 44, have open- carry laws. If Oregon is one of them, they are well within their rights to carry fire arms, regardless of how someone might be intimidated. Occupy Wall Street was intentionally destructive and provoked confrontation, especially with police. The ranchers have genuine grievances that need to be heard by Federal Land Management. The ranchers claim that they have had land that they own confiscated by the feds and also denied grazing and perhaps water rights that they have always had. Yeah, I would say there is a big difference in purpose and intent. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness I'm pretty sure that if a group of Occupy Wall Street had shown up brandishing firearms and threatening violence with the goal that federal land or whatever park they were in should be turned over to the locals to manage, the response would have been different. And, if the OR group had amassed a march across the wildlife refuge, subjecting the ducks to epithets and throwing out threats against the federal government, it would be a different situation all-together. The march would likely be over by now, for one. It's the guns Mike, in concert with the occupation, that determine, in part, how the response is navigated by the authorities. There is a big difference in purpose and intent and means. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : No, the Occupy Wall Street were more primitive. They had pipes and knives, lived in garbage and generally were destructive and several women were raped. At the Capitol in Wisconsin, numerous congressmen were threatened including the Governor and his family. BLM marched through the streets chanting *pigs in a blanket fry them like bacon*, a clear call to kill police. Yes there is a very big difference. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness Did the Occupy Wall Street people have guns? There was no "armed" conflict. I'm sorry, but there is a difference in how the group is choosing to express their rage. Can't compare the two. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Did you think the same thing about Occupy Wall Street? How about the protesters occupying the State Capitol building in Wisconsin? From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote : These "protesters" are simply criminals in cowboy hats. If you read the background, these folks are just looking to pick a fight. Same with the BLM crowd. Even the ranchers charged with arson have reported to prison to finish out their mandatory sentences. Game over. The Feds oughta just fence these yokels in, and throw away the key. After they get hungry enough, they'll leave. That's what 'the law' is hoping as well but some locals are bringing food to them at this point. Others are wishing and voicing their desire that the men with their guns occupying the refuge will go away. I will find it very interesting to see how this plays out because I believe the "protestors" are spoiling for a confrontation to prove some point or other. Personally, I think they all need a spanking and should be sent to their rooms - without their infernal guns. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : What else you didn't gather was that the BLM protesters were attacking the guys that were video taping their gathering. The protesters chased them and threatened them. Not that I condone any shooting but it could be argued that they feared for their lives and defended themselves by whatever means they had at their disposal.
