---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote :

 What you mention about someone with anger issues mucking up the whole 
meditating community, is an odd effect from a technique that has so much to 
offer. We all know the background of Maharishi not seeing a need for an 
integration of the study of psychology with the benefits of TM, but this 
appears to now have resulted in a serious problem wrt the movement's ongoing 
liveliness. 
 

 I guess the real question is: Why doesn't TM - if it has so much to offer - 
not clear up people's anger problems?
 

 It's hardly a rare thing, my overriding memories of working in the TMO was of 
highly stressed, angry and generally dysfunctional people. Not all of them by 
any means, but enough to make a casual observer wonder what was going on. And 
what seemed to be going on was that these people thought they were doing fine 
because they were On The Program and thus their thoughts were in perfect accord 
with Natural Law. Therefore any problems are with other people.
 

 The sooner you all get out of the idea that meditation - of any sort - makes 
your thoughts special in some way the sooner it will start working like a 
proper organisation with people holding themselves responsible for their 
actions rather than everyone trying to rationalise why the leaders are hopeless 
when Marshy - in his infinite wisdom - chose them for us.
 

 To somehow believe that in the absence of any instruction except, "take it 
easy, take it as it comes", and the diligent practice of TM, that everything 
will magically sort itself out mentally, emotionally, physically, socially, and 
financially, is pretty naive. Add to that the inevitable "cart before the 
horse" attitude wrt behavior in spiritual environments (faux emulation of 
"enlightened" living), and you end up with a bunch of emotional powder kegs in 
the community. Light is essential for seeing the world, but it is the shadows 
that give everything its reality. Has anyone spoken to this angry person in a 
clear and direct fashion, about this problem, or is that not possible? 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Really Great observation, Back_for_more  about capable leadership qualities in 
the abstract.    
 

 Fine, but add in a derangement or two and you get a nut.  
 

  Here in the movement we got someone in the middle of leadership of our 
meditating community group who has ruled with some of those leadership 
qualities in the abstract except that in character is unable to be magnanimous 
and is out of balance with serious anger management issues that have completely 
tied the group up and in effect driven a whole movement off in to exile. 
 

 As you say below it is about relational balance.
 

 I know someone who knows Donald.  The Trump is full compulsive obsessive. Not 
just a little but real.  The person says that you don’t want Trump running the 
country.  
 

 Where would US citizens go in to exile whence an evident nut like Trump could 
come in to disruption and control of our lives?  The twentieth century had 
plenty of examples to draw on of that happening. 
 

 I am looking for balance in leadership. A good human being.
 

 As part of the Iowa caucus cycle I have seen all three of the democratic 
candidates and I am fine with either of them from this standpoint of reasonable 
balance and self control.   
 

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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Anne , are you in a position to criticize Trump's negotiating skills?  If you 
are , I think the New York Times would love to have an editorial from you, the 
National Review also!
 

 Sure I am and so are you. Just watch him. He may have pushed and bullied his 
way around the corporate world but these tactics don't work as the leader of a 
country. My reasons for thinking this are below in my initial post. It doesn't 
take much of a brain to extrapolate from all of his bluster from the podium 
that his way or the highway can only end in war and disaster. Perhaps he is all 
hot air and were he to actually assume the office of the President of the US he 
will turn out to be a contemplative, sane, rational, balanced human being but 
from all evidence from the stump he appears exactly the opposite. It is 
precisely because his techniques have worked in his (corporate) world so far 
that he is stupid enough to think they will work in the different context in 
his role as President (although he will never assume office). I heard him say 
earlier on that he will hire the best negotiators in the world as his advisors 
even though they are "harrible, harrible human beings". Does this sound like a 
good idea to you? 
 

 I grew up in a family where the patriarch (my father) was one of the most 
powerful and influential CEO's in the world. He was brave, smart, fair, decent 
and yet no push over. I grew up around this. I know that no matter how tough 
and how big you think you are you have to combine it with a balance that 
includes empathy, heart, wisdom and depth and to understand and acknowledge 
your own fallibility and weaknesses. In other words, you have to act like a 
human being. It is only then that you command true respect instead of 
generating rancor, resistance and resentment by others who you need to "deal" 
with.
 

 


 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Establishment Conservatives Against Trump
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Feste, he's not my ideal candidate either! However, he has just as much 
qualifications as Obama did , if not more. At least Trump has management, 
executive and negotiating skills and built his own multi-billion dollar 
*empire*.
 All Obama ever did was be a *community organizer*, whatever that is. Whatever 
his academic achievements were are perceived as being based on affirmative 
action based. How does an American student get a Fulbright Scholarship? I've 
always heard those are reserved for foreign students.

 Trump's zero political office experience is perceived by many as a plus. A lot 
of people are tired of being promised one thing and then those promises 
abandoned. A lot of people are tired of career politicians.
Yeah, Trump is perceived as a *fighter*. Throw a punch at him and he counters 
ten times harder. Wasn't it Obama that said" if they bring a knife to a fight, 
we bring a gun"?
 However, Trump is a negotiator, I've never known Obama to negotiate anything. 
It's always my way or they high way. 
 If Trump is nominated, I think he's got a pretty good shot.He's attracting a 
coalition that Republicans have dreamed of but rarely get. There are a lot of 
independents that are attracted to him.

 

 I think you are dreaming if you thing Trump is some great negotiator. It is a 
different matter dealing with other politicians, other charged circumstances 
with regard to hostile countries or crazy dictators. You don't start telling 
them what they're going to do and the blowback from stepping on some of these 
people's toes is far bigger than losing a contract or some business deal going 
sideways. Pissing off the wrong people because you're too narcissistic or too 
delusional to realize you aren't the Big Man of Campus can result in actual 
war, not just lost revenue. He may have been able to snowplow his way around 
the business world but he has no idea about the ramifications were he to try 
his strong arming in the political world as President.  Trump is a menace.

 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 10:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Establishment Conservatives Against Trump

 
   I still regard the Trump candidacy as an absurdity. Trump has no 
qualifications to be US president. He has zero experience of political office. 
He is unsuited by temperament to the office and would be a dangerous person to 
be in that position of power. I do not believe he has a chance of being 
elected. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :

 Mike, thanks so much for your insights, very helpful. 

 

 I think the Tea Party totally screwed up the Republican Party and I also think 
Trump, for that situation, is just what the doctor ordered.
 

 Why does the RP hate Cruz? Just because he questions them? Or something more 
specific?

 

 


 From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 8:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Establishment Conservatives Against Trump

 
   
 It really is a dilemma isn't it. Trump is not a true conservative but a 
populist. Trump is attracting people from all over the place. Many undecideds, 
which is what Republicans have been after for years. Yet, they don't trust the 
guy with his *New York* values which are ultra liberal. He is to the left of 
most establishment Republicans but to the right of any Democrat, which is why I 
think moderate(liberal) Republicans are starting to find him a bit more 
acceptable. Ether him or Cruz, and that blows the mind of establishment 
Republicans. Cruz just won't play ball with his *superiors* and that really 
pisses them off! As long as the race is between the two, the Republican 
establishment will eventually line up behind Trump whether they like him or not 
because they hate Cruz.

 

 





 


 From: "emptybill@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 7:57 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Establishment Conservatives Against Trump

 
   Why establishment conservatives are on the rally against Trump.


Against Trump 
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