--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Dec 11, 2005, at 11:28 AM, cardemaister wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Dec 11, 2005, at 4:24 AM, cardemaister wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> SS I 7:
> >>>
> >>> jaagratsvapnasuSuptabhede turyaabhogasaMbhavaH
> >>> (jaagrat; svapna; suSupta-bhede turya-aabhoga-saMbhavaH)
> >>>
> >>> This is my "own" translation:
> >>>
> >>> In the gap (bhede) [between] waking (jaagrat),
> >>> dreaming (svapna) [and] deep sleep (suSupta)
> >>> "is born" (saMbhavaH = birth) enjoyment (aabhoga,
> >>> also e.g. "fullness") of the Transcendental Consciousness
> >>> (turya = fourth).
> >>>
> >>> Does that make any sense?
> >>
> >> The entire first section of the Shiva-sutra describes Shambhava
> >> upaya--the yoga of spontaneous manifestation of the I-
> > consciousness
> >> of Shiva, and the sudden emergence of the individual experience
> >> "Shivoham" (or "udyamo bhairava" I:5), "I am Shiva". It is the
> >> "highest" (read: most direct) of all three upayas in this agama.
> > This
> >> means that this presence of spontaneous I-consciousness of Shiva 
is
> > a
> >> witness which runs continuously and uninterruptedly through all
> > three
> >> states of consciousness. This is not mere "saksi" (witness-
> >> consciousness) but Ishvara-Saksi -- God-witness. In fact, it's 
not
> >> the same witness as in Shankara at all, it is vimarsha (world-
> > mirror)
> >> which is filled with the bhoga (ecstasy) of turiya.
> >>
> >> Abhoga = Camatkara
> >>
> >
> > That's interesting - and, well, surprising!
> > BTW, I just noticed that  "turyaabhoga"
> > could in priciple be sandhi for (at least)
> > "turya + aa_bhoga" (enjoyment) and "turya +
> > a_bhoga" (non-enjoyment). That's an example of how
> > for instance sandhi of 'a' makes Sanskrit texts
> > ambiguous.
> 
> Also why a sutra always requires an enlightened commentary--in 
this  
> case the Vimarshini.

Sorry, I don't actually quite understand what you mean
by "abhoga = camatkara". 






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