Obviously you do or we wouldn't even be conversing about it.

      From: "emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 9:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be...
   
    Well, I have no intention to have a conversation about "God's will" I 
assure you.  My general purpose in referencing "God's plan" and "God's will" 
was to refute your seeming arrogant surety that you are *RIGHT*, morally or 
spiritually in your assessment and condemnation of women who choose to exercise 
their right to abort.  
"Apples and oranges" in the sense that there is no way to even try to tie a 
decision on whether or not to bring a new life into the world to a decision by 
a crazed psychopathic madman to kill human beings already here!  Sorry, can't 
get there. 
Yes, most agree that humans have "free will" - and free will is involved in 
both those decisions - if that's what you mean.  
If you want to keep the "blame" game going in your head, here's an idea.  Focus 
on how states could legislate male reproductive rights.  Creative guy that you 
are, you should be able to come up with something!  It's not like women are 
experiencing "immaculate conception," after all. 
I hate to tell you, and perhaps I'll suffer in hell for awhile for this, but I 
don't really consider abortion even a moral issue.  I believe in the woman's 
right to choose, period.  There is no way on God's green earth I'm going to 
anyone, let alone a male dictate that decision for me.  I will bear the 
ultimate responsibility for my decision, either way.  Therefore, it is mine to 
make.  I think abortion should be legal, safe, affordable and de-stigmatized.  
If a woman of any age, for any reason, isn't ready to have a child, and finds 
herself pregnant, than she should be allowed the option to abort and it should 
be a medically safe procedure.  I believe strongly in birth control, in sex 
education, in educating boys and girls, and in the woman's right to choose.  
Consciously!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

We're talking about conscious decisions by human beings as opposed to God's 
will.


  From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 9:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be...
 
 Apples and oranges, Mike. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

What if, what if ,what if...What if it were God's plan that Sharon Tate die a 
bloody death. Do we accept that Charlie Manson was doing God's will and let him 
out of prison?


  From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 7:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be...

 And, perhaps the plan for the "life" is to remain *unborn*, or to be born 
through/in other circumstance.  Assuming, also, you believe in the "soul 
energy" and "eternal life."  "Judge not lest ye be judged."  You cannot say you 
know what "God's will" is for another human being. Having said that, I admire 
your command of Biblical scripture.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

Except one thing Emily, that verse goes on to describe God's plan for 
Jeremiah's life. "I set you apart to be a prophet to the nations". A prophet is 
a man that God speaks through to the rest of humanity, in this case, the 
*nations*, gentiles, non- Jews.\ And in this very verse, the prophetic voice is 
saying to the nations that God creates life in the womb and has a plan for that 
life, even that he knew you before he created you in the womb. This very verse 
describes why abortion is murder and  unacceptable. When you kill the fetus, 
you kill God's work.


  From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 5:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be...

 Not at all, Mike, not at all.  "Not born".....remember "I knew you before you 
were born......" And, in that statement, there is much room for the presumption 
that Mike does not *know* God's plan!  There are many things that cannot be 
rationalized, imho, and the spiritual context for birth is one of them.  Leave 
room for the idea that you have *no idea* what you are talking about! 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

So to you, *unborn* makes them less of a person, less of a life, just a lump of 
tissue. More rationalization.


  From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 4:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be...

 Yahoo just refused to send my reply!  A sign that I've said enough.  
Re: your questions.  The key word is "unborn" Mike.  So many things about that 
word are out of your purview, spiritual and otherwise. I suggest you meditate 
on that word for awhile! :)  Advocate for what you believe in, of course.  
You know, I recently started volunteering for an organization that houses 
homeless families.  At the location I'm at, there are 50 kids.  Fifty!  The 
price of housing here has skyrocketed and there are serious economic 
consequences in play. Nor do we a good job of settling our refugees.  Here, we 
give them $1,000 for 3 months and send them on their way; that doesn't even 
come close to covering the cost of renting an apartment. Many do not speak 
English and cannot find work.  It's ridiculous.  Reportedly, it takes at least 
18 months to get on one's feet—3 months is a ridiculous time to assume 
assimilation at even the most basic levels.  It's been a real eye opener in a 
lot of ways.  Service can be achieved in many ways, but it's good for us all to 
get out of ourselves and off our self-righteous asses to join the community and 
do our part.  I'm no poster child however, and choose to reserve judgment on 
your behind!   


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

Am I the one playing God when I advocate for the life of the unborn or is the 
person deciding *not in my womb* ?
 Service and compassion? Is the woman killing her unborn child offering either?
  From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 2:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be...

 Really?  Relationships take work Mike and "faith without works is dead," as 
they say.  I find it ironic how you can judge the woman who has an abortion 
(maybe because she believes she can't "afford" it, lets just say) and get all 
righteous behind: your brand of interpretation of scripture; what the 
Constitution was intending; and, the reasoning that the woman has a inviolable 
responsibility to forward that particular soul's "karma" (Ever thought about 
the idea that the soul, should it be ready to incarnate, could be perfectly 
accepting in respecting the answer of "no" of whom it has "asked" and be 
willing to be hosted by another?)........and in almost the same breath, you 
blame and denigrate and rail against the mother who agrees to risk having the 
child, if she doesn't meet *your* standards.  Who are you to think you should 
play God!  Jesus was about service to others' Mike.  Maybe, take that 
relationship to your heart and put some of your hard earned retirement time 
where your mouth is and exercise that other quality that Jesus has—compassion.  
  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

Ollie, one can get hung up in *religion* or hung up in a relationship with the 
Almighty. Scripture can help you do either one.I'll take the relationship one.

  From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 1:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be...

 Yep, I understand your point, Mike. If I believed as you do, what you have 
written below, I would feel quite a commitment to "save" others also. I mean 
that with all respect for your faith. Equally so, I hope you can accept that I 
see it as opinion and interpretation, even the biblical prophet bit that many 
accept as truth with a capital "T". Sounds like a great way to answer every 
question - for yourself and others so inclined. 
However, there are many many paths to God, and yours is simply one of them. 
Please let the rest of us find our own way too. It is eminently possible to 
live a good, moral, God loving life, without the Christian faith, or any of 
them, actually. There is also no universal requirement to take Jesus Christ as 
one's savior, though he apparently serves in that role for quite a few people. 
I am not knocking it, just saying that this is not a *requirement* for a 
spiritually oriented life.
I see any religion as more a personal preference, though exposure to religion 
is very useful, so that we have a choice to adopt a strong identification with 
it, or not. Religion also exposes us to the many ways we can approach God, for 
example, prayer, hymns, and meditating. At this time in my life, I choose not 
to follow (or oppose) any religion, and focus my efforts on directly enjoying 
God's creation, instead. No subtitles.:-)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

BTW Ollie,a Biblical Prophet is one who is ordained by God Almighty to be His 
spokesperson. This verse clearly says that Jeremiah is God's messenger to the 
Gentiles, the Nations, non Jews. He clearly says that it is He that forms us in 
our mothers womb and that He knew you before He started and that He has a plan 
for your life. If you interfere in that plan by killing someone that He is 
creating for His purposes, that is the ultimate evil. That is Satanic/Demonic.
Isaiah says  *woe*, that is great grief, suffering and trouble for those that 
can't distinguish right from wrong and confuse the two.Karma's a bitch!

  From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 6:33 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be...

 You quote Samuel Clemence and I quote the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. 
You brought up religion with your justifications of abortion and deeming 
interference with a woman's right to choose as sin. 
My original argument was purely constitutional.


   From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be...

 "Man is kind enough when he is not excited by religion" - Mark Twain

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :


JEREMIAH 1:5  I knew you before I formed you in your mother's womb. Before you 
were born I set you apart and appointed you as my prophet to the nations.
Abortion is clearly not life sustaining or supporting.ISAIAH 5:20 Woe unto 
those that call good bad and bad good.
  From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 5:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be...

 It is clearly the woman's vessel that carries the embryo until it is born as a 
human being, and she certainly has the inalienable right to treat that embryo 
any way she chooses to, including the choice to get rid of it. No harm, no 
foul, no sin, and no problem, unless the men decide to make it one, which of 
course goes against the will of God. 

So you see, by opposing a woman's right to an abortion it is you who commits 
the sin, by denying her freedom. Those preaching this anti-abortion message are 
the great sinners, the ones that deny God the freedom he gave each of us. So, 
Mike, please go forth and sin no more. Men denying women the right to an 
abortion is clearly a massive sin under God, and always will be. There will 
never be a sane justification to do so.
By the same token, a woman choosing an abortion for whatever reason is sinless, 
and will always be. The notion of sin doesn't even enter into such an action. 
It is completely morally justified and a very very personal choice, needing no 
interference from the self-righteous and anti-social elements in this country. 
This argument that it is "murder" is so crazy, and designed for maximum 
guilt-tripping. How can something unable to exist in the world be murdered? 
Makes no sense, and is simply mental gymnastics employed for this repressive 
thinking. More medieval thinking.
It amazes me that this is even an issue in 2016. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

No Ollie, it's not OK. "We hold these truths to be self evident, that ALL men 
are are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain 
unalienable rights, among them are *LIFE*, Liberty and the pursuit of 
happiness." OK?
It's not her body. That can be proven with a simple DNA test.
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