There are a lot of actors who can sound "presidential". Would you vote for them too? Do be superficial. Hillary is not to be trusted and she'll say anything to rule to world.

On 06/08/2016 10:48 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Ann,

You sound like you're running for office in Canada. I mean that in a positive way. By the way, here is Hillary Clinton's victory speech, which you probably already seen. She definitely sounds presidential. Trump and the Republicans are scared.

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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote :

As for my use of the term "higher order" wrt human beings, it is used in an engineering sense, not a moral one. A similar example would be calling a frequency wave higher or lower, referring to its cycling speed, with a higher frequency wave able to carry much more data. So I use higher order as a reflection of our innate capabilities, not our moral superiority.

I'm just exploring here as I go and I appreciate your input. You are smart and I respect your intelligence so I take what you are saying and I am weighing it against what I know, what I don't know and what I have experienced or seen.

With regard to "engineering" I know where you're coming and even though this engineering means we can build cool stuff, make art and create amazing structures and cities there is often a disconnect between 'the machine' and what is created by that machine and in turn how this effects everything else around us. What I love about "nature" is how it seems to function with an innate intelligence of how everything has to fit together and that each species is endowed with the intelligence and tools to carry out its particular role as part of a vast whole.

At the same time, I have experienced incredible consciousness emanating out of mammals and birds who definitely are not simply functioning from "instinct" as John asserts. And because of this great presence and the variety of characteristics animals can display I am hesitant to categorize anything as "higher" or "lower" - especially when you look at the "engineered" humans engaging in all sorts of non life-supporting activities day in and day out. I think with engineering comes responsibility (like you said) and if the one with the greater tools fail in usin! g them for ends other than self gain and destruction they become so much lower than toilet scum.

I am also not convinced that we are "the stewards of the planet", not unless we believe what we, ourselves, have imagined as our role. The only reason we have to take greater responsibility is because we have overrun the place and rendered it inhabitable for about half of the life/species here. Without us, the planet would do just fine.

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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote :

OK, though you are addressing something I didn't assert - that humans are inherently better, or closer to God, than animals are.

We have greater skills due to our tool creating ability, but that doesn't confer anything on us, except responsibility. This leveraging and increasing our power through technology gives us the capability to act in much worse ways than the animals, and also gives us a great responsibility as the stewards of this planet. Unlike a swallow who can only build a nest, or a bee that can only produce a hive, or a beaver that can only build a dam, every one of us humans can do all three...and then build a factory to produce thousands of each.

True enough. There is this term I remember from being at MIU, this 'dharma' thing. Can it be the dharma of human beings to be the builders of so many different things while, in nature, each animal has its own job, its particular and individual place in nature to do what it must to complete the whole? For one species, homo Sapiens, to take on so many aspects of altering and influencing the world - this seems in stark contrast to how the rest of nature works. Perhaps this is why we get into so much trouble, sticking our nose into things we have no business sticking it. (LOL)

It is the inspiration of the animals' abilities, though, that brings about much of our creativity - flying is a great example. Humanity is not somehow better than the animals, but we do far exceed them in our ability to manipulate the environment, for better or worse, while pursuing and developing our individual and collective interests.

Sure but this hardly makes us "higher".

Being human is the greatest challenge on earth, and an incredible gift to be born as such, simply because we can live our lives as we choose, without the constraints of already dwelling in a more limited form of perfection, as does everything else, the rocks, plants, and animals. We are also indebted at birth, like any living thing, to the laws governing this planet, and as human beings, this gives us unprecedented opportunities for learning, in all domains. If we are doing it right, this brings about feelings of joy, sadness, humility, challenge, concern, compassion, and wonder - did I miss any? :-)

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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote :

Humans will always be higher order than animals, due to greater intelligence and adaptability. I do think it is fascinating that using such gifts we can emulate a state of awareness much lower than the animals too. It is that flexibility unique to our species that makes us top of the pile. The challenge appears to be to gain the acceptance of life and naturalness that animals have, while honoring our own birthright.

I know that it is generally believed that homo sapiens are "higher" than any other creature on the planet but I think that belief is based on limited outlook. I also think it originated within the religious thinking that (guess who!) humans invented so naturally they'll place themselves highest on the evolutionary totem pole. But, for the sake of playing the Devil's Advocate, I don't experience human beings to be "higher" and I'll give just a smattering of reasons why. Can animals experience love, compassion, generosity and deep intelligence? Yes. Are they driven by greed, addiction, power lust and anger? No. Do they engage in war or mass decimation of either their own species or other species? No. Were they made by the same forces that created ! homo sapiens? Very likely. Do they possess life energy and consciousness? Yup. If there was such a thing as God would that God love his animals less than his evolved apes? Not in my estimation, no. The fact that our species can produce a Monet, a Beethoven or a Shakespeare is extraordinary but in the grand scheme (or farce) of things does an oil painting, a collection of musical notes or a sonnet prove we are better than an intricate dam built by the beaver, a swallow's nest made of mud and grass or a beehive made with perfect geometry? And just imagine, every beaver, every swallow and every honey bee can do this, not just the geniuses among their species.

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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <jr_esq@...> wrote :


These ISIS jihadists are the current manifestations of the asuras or devils in Nature. They are lower than human beings, but are considered above animals in the Vedic hierarchy of creatures on earth.

Bullshit, I'll take an animal any day. Animals are, much of the time, "above" human beings let alone these ISIS monsters. So, what makes a human so special? The fact that they, supposedly, can come to "know" God? Animals are born knowing God.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

The methods they use to kill those that refuse to follow them are horrendous.They make the NAZIS seem like Boy scouts.


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*From:* "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, June 6, 2016 1:43 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Another Town is Liberated from ISIS

MD,

The current news say that ISIS jihadists are killing civilians in Fallujah. Also, if the Iraqi forces ever catch Al Baghdadi, the high priest of ISIS, alive, they should charge him with crimes against humanity and hang him high just like Saddam Hussein.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

Can I get a great big *Aloha Snickbar* for that?
I think they also uncovered a mass grave of about 400 .


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*From:* "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Sunday, June 5, 2016 10:27 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Another Town is Liberated from ISIS

It's a great victory for the Iraqi people. But I'm afraid the ISIS terrorists may be waiting to commit their last act of infamy when they're cornered to face imminent death and defeat.

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