---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote :
Hypocrisy Is Us (re The Corner) Sal Yuppers, the ultimate 'old boy's club'. "You pat me on the back and I'll do the same" is their unspoken but clearly understood motto. It has to feel just a tad incestuous over there. On Sep 8, 2016, at 10:26 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote : In Doug's defense, not one person has *ever* been banned from FFL for not meeting his definition of "spiritual". The reason a few were banned, is that they lacked basic social skills, and were more interested in being a pain in the ass, vs. contributing anything of substance. Had nothing to do with content, and everything to do with not playing well with others, due to immaturity, a lack of manners, and no self-discipline. Perhaps you could quit making shit up? Thanks in advance... Well, at least FFL and Doug aren't like The Corner where there is a bouncer at the door with a prepared list of those who can't even get in the room. Talk about censorship and lack of free speech. In addition, you can't even read anything there unless you are on the list of approved individuals. And the guy who started that forum and those who are in attendance were the ones giving Doug a hard time about the lack of free speech at FFL. Too ironic to be believed. Luckily, since I know everyone over there and have heard what they have to say about a hundred times I'm not remotely interested in getting admitted. Some things just don't get better with age. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : What you may not realize is that the way you're running this discussion forum is just like they run the Dome - banning and shunning people that don't meet your definition of spiritual. You're obviously selling TM and using your position as FFL moderator to enforce guidelines "as a primary retributive tool to discipline a sales force." Maybe you could set us straight by answering a few questions. What is your exact position, if any, with MUM? Are you a re-certified TM teacher in good standing with the TM Org? Did you graduate from the university, and if not, why not? Sometimes, you seem to be posting under various aliases. Why is that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : This kind of thing is just bad irony and publicity for what is going on here. It is plenty past time to just go and gut the Dome guidelines of the ‘non-compete’ clauses particularly around the practice of jyotish. Fairfield is full of people secretly promoting and practicing jyotish and giving readings. Every time the Weekly Reader boldly publishes astrology from David Hawthorne it is a reminder of how he and his family in moving to Fairfield to be part of something larger were ridiculously judged and screwed by the movement. This is just plain bad for the energetics of the community here. Everyone gets the irony of going to Pat Hayward for consultation too. Everyone at all levels of the ™ movement does it. It is quite time to stop using the Dome badge guidelines as weapon-ry against the community. IThis has been Self-destructive all along. The Dome badge guidelines need to be made much simpler to what it simply takes to run a group meditation and stop using the Dome badge guidelines as a primary retributive tool to discipline a sales force; let administration of a sales force of the re-cert TM teachers be the particular dealings of an HR or legal departments for the teaching side [Maharishi Foundation] of the movement. It is time to damn and dump those ‘non-compete’ clauses around the practice of jyotish. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Ollie, that becomes a consideration here. What is Fair to exclude on? Dispossessing the way they have administrated it is asserted to be fair and rational except that the ‘non-compete’ clauses for membership that relate to doing non-Maharishi Jyotish and doing non-Maharishi yoga, Non-Maharishi ayurveda, etc, came along as ‘add-ons’ in a sequence of time. This nature of character of assessing fealty has been asserting itself excluding and sending away whole categories of interested practicing meditators for 35 years. For positive reasons of expansion this needs to change now. That old business and fanatical believer mindset of separating practicing meditators from the group meditation as a primary means of retribution against categories of private life for members has been little other than corrosive to what was a larger communal mission and hope. -Jai ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote : It seems like a fair enough demarcation to say that those who have set themselves up as teachers of another discipline would not be compatible with ongoing Dome TM-Sidhis programs. As Ken Kesey famously said, "you're either on the bus or off the bus...". Rather than make it an edict though, with spying and all of that, the interference of other programs should be clearly explained in a non-judgmental way, and then self-enforced. Instead of making it a value judgment, the science behind it could be clarified. The TMO made it a holier than thou issue and that f'ed everything up - Perhaps a higher consciousness at the helm will help. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : The 'non-compete' clauses. A sad irony in this thread which has been sore effect for the community here is that these recognized experts and a lot of jyotish experts who have come out of the old ™ community with their early training in Maharishi jyotish are technically disbarred, disenfranchised by guideline, from membership participation in our ™ community group meditations. The Maharishi Foundation ™.org National standards for participation as they stand now specifically exclude people who ‘promote’ other systems of jyotish, excluding from the Dome meditations here and other sponsored ™ group meditations. 'Other systems' as in non-Maharishi jyotish. This has been applied to old ™’ers for quite a number of years. For some number of years the patronizing ($) non-Maharishi jyotish/yagya was certain grounds for exclusion from the Dome meditations and used to exclude practicing meditators from membership in the group. Meditators are now free to ‘consult’ with non-maharishi jyotishi but the exclusion still stands over ‘promoting’ in practice jyotish using other systems deemed non-Maharishi jyotish astrology. A conservative or fanatical business mind that is welded with strong emotional (fanatical) belief inside about the exclusivity of all ™ teachers are thinking that all old, de-certs, re-certs and new ™ teachers are sales representatives of all that is now ™ and hence are strictly liable to business non-compete constraints through the movement right to administratively denying membership using the validation of Dome badges for inclusion in the communal group practice of meditation as a preferred means of sales-force discipline. In effect what could be adjudicated by a human resources department or a legal department more narrowly with employees they instead have used the group meditation as the retributive means (weapon) of disciplining others to their sense of fealty. Employing the use of the group practice of meditation as their primary tool of discipline over membership has been incredibly corrosive in their bold leading of a decades long decline in a metric of what was a larger group. It is still a fundamental problem within the group. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : # To be fair, it can be more than coffeehouse ‘chat’, quite a number of people from Fairfield, Iowa have been trained in and are quite long experienced and accomplished in jyotish astrology and now a number of top jyotish astrologers in the West are of what is the old meditating community of Fairfield. Pat Hayward, for instance, is regarded as an astrologer and has been consulted by many many people both here in Fairfield and of the world. He became established in this craft while living in Fairfield, Iowa as a recognized member of the meditating community here. http://www.quantumastrology.com/contact.php http://www.quantumastrology.com/contact.php Two others who are recognized as being highly scholarly within astrology, David Hawthorne and Penny Farrow, also cut their teeth as recognized consultants are themselves of the old meditating community in Fairfield, Iowa. David Hawthorne: http://www.astroview.com/background http://www.astroview.com/background Penny Farrow: http://www.vedicchart.com/about/ http://www.vedicchart.com/about/ These three stand out as examples as there are also others quietly living here having been students of Maharishi jyotish and as time has gone along also studying with these three and other top astrologers and systems in the field. Fairfield is an adept community this way. I was recently visiting a substantial Indo-American cultural center [temple] out East and read on one of their bulletin boards of an upcoming series of scholarly classes being taught there on jyotish by Penny Farrow. As time has gone along these people are being pulled on for both their academic and practical experience with astrology. There is a lot of this resource available in the meditating community of Fairfield, Iowa. It is quite easy to find consultation on it, even in the coffee houses of the town. It becomes just like asking about the weather, “How much rain did you get last night and what have you heard is the forecast?” “What’s going on with the moon and planets this week?” Fairfield, -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote : I will have to take your word for it, as I have seen no such evidence personally. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Actually, evidently people who are really good at it have a facility with it that is like a siddhi. With a lot of experience with it study of it becomes something intuitive. It is like a way [modality] of thinking, like some people are really good at mathematics or open to physics. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote : Yep, a good perspective to have, though I think modern life and technology has rendered any forecasting ability of jyotish or Western astrology, impractical. Using common sense and intuition, we get it right more often than not. And if not, better next time around. PS No problems discussing or communicating anything today... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Putting skepticism aside it seems way more interesting to entertain these ideas of jyotish. While more strictly experienced as a conservative transcendental meditationist who is not as interested in all the ‘add-ons’ of Maharishi’s teachings I do feel open to the consideration that jyotish astrology could describe an astrophysics of vibrational influence of the heavenly bodies on subtle systems of the human being. From that viewpoint we be talking of spirituality and then the possible ability to influence and even cultivate well-being around the motions of the planets and such. There are stranger things in Heaven and Earth. Are there no tides? -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <jamesalan735@...> wrote : I was going to point out much of what olliesewuz has written below, but given what he has written, I can be brief: Doug, Regardless of what one thinks of jyotish/MMY, or (God help us), ideas arising from a Fairfield coffee house discussion group, your message below is contrary to MMY's guidelines regarding the "right use" (MMY's words) of jyotish. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote : Thanks, but your post just now, at close to the speed of light, spread globally and instantaneously, confirms, "Havoc in Communication"?? By focusing on the objective, whatever it is, any environmental influences are minimized, so if there is an issue, isn't it with the doer? Maharishi declared 1978 as the year of invincibility, our unshakable nature. Though a sensitivity to all areas of life is a good thing, to predict difficulties as a result of the stars is a waste of time. Great coffeehouse chat, but nothing to take seriously. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Today, Aug 30 Mercury retrograde in Virgo =Havoc in Communication So says the coffee house Fairfield jyotish satsang. Would be a difficult day to substantially engage others or begin things, however; a good day to stay in meditation. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : In correlation of good things.. Fairfield, Iowa Meditators start very early everyday with their spiritual practice. Also, the Dome doors open for the collective meditation at 7am. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote : Haven't noticed anything different through this period, except that I have been a little more successful than usual in my day to day. A couple of friends have had unusually positive events occur during this time. Everyone seems perfectly friendly and happy. No undue stress or tension. Perhaps the astrologers got it wrong. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Today, Aug 26 Jupiter Venus Mercury in Virgo. It is said to be a particularly good day to meditate, a Saraswati Yoga.. Om Ayim Srim Hrim Saraswati Devyai Namah ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Fabulous drama unfolding in the sky.. Clear sky last night in Fairfield, Iowa. Before the moon rose one could see it with naked eye and even clearer with binoculars. Mars is approaching Antares in Scorpio ! One can see it ! Google’s free app, Sky Map on a smartphone can get you oriented for the show. Aug 24 Saturn and Mars @ 15degrees of Scorpio, Transit characterized by ANGER. There is a star in Scorpio that is the war star in combination with Mars etc.. makes it all particularly difficult. August 23-26 will be extremely violent with Mars transiting the fixed star Antares. Aug 30 Mercury retrograde in Virgo =Havoc in Communication Sept 1st Solar Eclipse Around September 13 (the 12th?) it will be treacherous and very violent again due to transiting Saturn’s return to the degree of the fixed star Antares. As Jr points out, the good news is that.. Sept 17 Mars Exits Scorpio, the most difficult period passes ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : I agree. I am not worried so much about this jyotish line of thinking. But just as a transcendentalist knowing the transformational spiritual possibility and just looking at the level of spiritual commotion in the world it is breath taking at times That these planets are conjoined may be coincident to the turbulence of these postmodern times. I am enjoying watching the planetary play out on my smartphone free app from Google, Sky Map. What I was interested to learn was just what the jyotish people are all wonked out on and compelled by. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote : Thank you, but I also have to wonder if similar planetary combinations have happened in the past? If they have, I haven't noticed any time in my life where events were actually insurmountable, or that I felt the need to spontaneously act in a certain way, to counteract a heavenly alignment I had no idea existed at the time. I do find some remarkable trends in the general area of people's personalities, including mine, correlated to birth time, day, month, and year. As far as a predictive tool, though, who needs it? How does it avoid or prevent or modify or enhance, just making one's way through life? Isn't that rich and complex enough as it is? :-) Intuition and flexibility can go a long way towards an easier way in life, without adding this extra layer of concern. signed, what's up wid' Jyotish? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : In sequence: Aug 18th Lunar Eclipse Aug 24 Saturn and Mars @ 15degrees of Scorpio, Transit characterized by ANGER. There is a star in Scorpio that is the war star in combination with Mars etc.. makes it all particularly difficult. Aug 26 Jupiter Venus Mercury in Virgo ( Saraswati yoga, good to be meditating) Aug 30 Mercury retrograde in Virgo =Havoc in Communication Sept 1st Solar Eclipse Sept 17 Mars Exits Scorpio, the most difficult period passes ---In (Message over 64 KB, truncated)
