---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :
It's an unusual hypothetical. Most meditators, at least those in the full-time employ of the movement, don't feel the need to participate in social/political protest because that would be tackling the problem "on the level of the problem," as we all used to say. It is better to meditate and create desirable change that way. (My opinion is that it's going to take a lot more than meditating to stop that pipeline, but that's another matter.) Were I a movement administrator, I would not object if movement employees attended a demonstration or protest, since that is their right, but it would be a different matter if any employees were actually arrested and charged (with trespass, I believe in this case). Having your own employees getting charged with criminal offense would not reflect well on the movement, so as an employer/administrator, I would take a dim view of it. As a fellow human being I would applaud them for it. Trespassing is pretty benign. Now, if they had fetched their attack dogs on someone like the anti-protesters had, that would be an entirely different matter. Then it would be 'throw the bums out.' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsj1qs864kQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsj1qs864kQ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote : I understand that they weren't TMO employees or MUM students. But Doug, it seemed to me, was citing the proposed policy to support his contention that, by extension, the three protesters should be punished for getting arrested. The proposal does say "convicted," according to Doug, and also says it applies to "any criminality on behalf of the movement's work," so maybe that would mean it wouldn't apply to the present case even if the protesters *were* TMO employees/MUM students. But you see what I'm getting at, I hope. Nonviolent civil disobedience in the cause of justice, as far as I'm concerned, is very much in line with the goals of the movement, not something that warrants severe disapproval and sanctions if the protesters are arrested, or even if they're convicted. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : But the three individuals were not employees of the TM organization. It does not seem remarkable to me that an organization says that if you are convicted of a criminal offense you will lose your job (although it's not clear from Doug's post whether the TM org. has such a policy or merely that some people are advocating such a policy). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote : That's a sick, perverted policy if it includes civil disobedience in the interests of justice. It's the opposite of an ethical policy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Whether convicted by felony or misdemeanor, some have long been advocate for a directive ethics policy being in place for our .org employees of the ™ movement, the policy being such that all employees of the movement shall be held accountable for illegal behaviors or actions as employees. Accountable in that any criminality on behalf of the movement’s work will henceforth receive zero tolerance and lead directly to dismissal, termination of employment. . Clearly written, clearly stated. A new era for movement employed apparatchiks. If meditators had their meditations checked should they be let back in with the collective of the communal group meditation regardless of their criminality? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : As far as I know, the individuals concerned have no connection to the university. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : I agree with Ann, they should be given medals (and bailed out by the university if necessary). Given medals for what? Bailed out by the University? Why? Misappropriation of University funds. From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Dakota = friend! As long as they were arrested for committing nonviolent civil disobedience, One can never be sure exactly what the fruits of group meditation will be, how they will manifest in the world. It may very well be that participation in nonviolent protests against oppression and injustice is one of those fruits. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : There are some meditators from Fairfield, Iowa here who have been arrested out protesting the Dakota Access Pipeline. As representative exponents of reality, is it too late to decertify or at least separate from representing the community or the teaching transcending meditation someone who was trained and certified directly by Maharishi, even for their civil or criminal misconduct? What about these community meditators going out and making a spectacle of themselves and getting arrested law violating? If they had their meditations checked should they be let back in with the collective of the communal group meditation? Really?! Those who went, protested and got arrested deserve medals not condemnation. Good for them. FF residents (and meditators to boot) doing something concrete in this world instead of thinking group meditation will solve everything. Finally, something I can respect! Well done all you 'criminals' and scofflaws out there - more power to you.
