--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > Since TC isnt' an experience in the usual sense of
> > the word, it seems 
> > plausible that any further state based on TC
> > wouldn't be experiential 
> > in the way that other things we might talk about
> > are.
> > 
> > therefore, trying to talk about similarities and
> > differences makes no 
> > sense -- or at least, may not be appropriate.
> I like the Piaget model here to explain what can't be
> explained! Again, there is such a profound qualitative
> shift in self/world from waking state to Realization
> that it is almost impossible to talk about in anyway
> that'll make sense from a waking state perspective.
> I'm not trying to retreat into a "You gotta be there
> to get it" perspective, but you gotta be there to get
> it. Like Buddha after his realization. Initially, he
> thought that it would be impossible to even talk about
> this to others in waking state.  

Some would say that he never did. The map is not the territory and 
all that.

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