M stopped talking much about it publicly at points when faced with an 
intellectual skepticism about these energy centers:  ‘Thin lines of energy 
flowing in the central nervous system? ’ Where exactly?   Comparing to the 
science then at that time growing on 'consciousness' defined by meditation then 
to also describe and defend a subtle system which science has yet to be able to 
even image would be daunting at best given where people and science was at in 
time.  But clearly it was where he was going in his teachings and methods even 
to his last techniques in marma, vibrational modalities and the Ved and 
Physiology practice.  The guy was a visionary, sage, empiricist and necessarily 
practical going forward. We don't have so much guidance coming out of TM about 
it other than ideas of stress release and meditation checking so people over 
the years have also gone on in their experience.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sun...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 Yes, thanks for the reply.  I do believe that spiritual development is a 
tricky endeavor, and that complications can arise, either due to an awakening 
of kundalini, or just an expanding of awareness.  I suppose it is helpful to 
have a support network to help sort things out, and lend a helping hand if 

 Of course, like anything, you can carried away by too much analysis, which can 
lead to mood making and other weird diversions .  Always difficult to find the 
right balance.

 Still sorting that out in my own life 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Yep, regardless of which meditation or spiritual practice some people can have 
trouble with kundalini flow (subtle energy centers) as their spirituality comes 
on or grows.  Evidently it is not by meditation necessarily but also occurs 
separately for some various people as kundalini development in the central 
subtle nervous system. Able to surface at any point as the spiritual system may 
grow, sometimes in the new spiritual aspirant or in long practiced or 
cultivated people.  This as its own continuum is different from the 
consciousness ‘awakening’ continuum that gets focused on in the TM community or 
at Rick’s batgap, but can have its own development to talk about on continuum 
different than consciousness development.
 In satsang around Fairfield, Iowa people can surface periodically with 
troubles in the flow of their Kundalini subtle system.  This is particularly 
different than say psychological breaks like bi-polar and such.  
 It was not something we were much guided in but there is a cohort of intuitive 
people and experienced people round who can be helpful to folks whose subtle 
systems are in rough times and not integrated enough in some ways to be easier 
with being a conduit for evidently more primordial energy referred to as 
kundalini, or the holy-ghost in x-ianity.  It can be a topic of conversation 
around Fairfield on different levels.          


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 an particulars in this regard?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 In TM we did not get much guidance on this but those are interesting sutras to 
 My wife in community work as an RN, being intuitive, and being an old 
meditation teacher has been running into some people who are amidst some 
openings of kundalini. That has its spiritual reality for some people which in 
some ways is also physiologic to the human psycho-spiritual system. . 
 Card’s sequence of sutras as energy centers that are in the YS may well be 
relevant. Also it seems was where Maharishi was going with his last technique, 
the Ved and Physiology technique. The sutras like that Ved and Physiology 
process can be handy to energetically reference;  along with some kind of 
mindful intent like these kind of directives in the yoga sutras in checking of 
the flow for some people in their mists and rough with it all.  Some things 
sort of like in point 30 of the old checking notes, if you remember those. 

 Going to these YS chapters and verse are like going back to reading my tractor 
repair manual for figuring out my tractor’s ignition system that just went 
haywire. 10th cranial nerve?  Sometimes you just have to go sit and attend to 
it under a shade tree.  But figure it out also by going to an old tractor 
mechanic who has more experience with it.           


ultrarishi offers: You might be interested in the work of Stephen Porges and 
his Polyvagal Theory.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :


 "..the physiological counterpart of kuurma-naaDii might well be the vagus 
nerve, which is the main parasympathetic nerve,"


 In the human, who is the highest expression of God on earth, it is the vagus 
or tenth cranial nerve that is the most receptive to this solar fire or energy, 
the spiritual fire coming down, the fire of the macrocosm. This fire energizes 
humans and uses them to express the qualities of love and wisdom.
 =Charlie Lutes

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <hepa7@...> wrote :


 Number 5, at least in my set (English: BT?), is the one that seems to 
correspond YS III 31:

 kuurma-naaDyaaM* sthairyam.

 Some translations:

 kUrmanaaDyaaM sthairyam
Calmness Is Attained By Samyama On The Bronchial Tube.
 [IT]: (32):
 (By performing Samyama) on the Kurma-nadi steadiness.
On the tortoise duct (tortoise), steadiness.
From perfect discipline of the “tortoise vein,” one’s being becomes steady.
 [SS]: (32):
 By samyama on the kurma nadi (a subtle tortoise-shaped tube located below the 
throat), motionless in the meditative posture is achieved.
(32) By making samyama on the tube within the chest, one acquires absolute 
 [SV]: (32):
 On the nerve called Kurma (comes) fixity of the body.
 I used to think that the "oiling" of joints, less tight muscles and harder 
*rections after doing siddhis was mainly due to flying, but now it seems to me 
the main culprit might well be actually the BT above, after doing it a couple 
of times in isolation, or whatever.
 It seems to me the physiological counterpart of kuurma-naaDii might well be 
the vagus nerve, which is the main parasympathetic nerve, I believe. Wiki:
  The parasympathetic system is responsible for stimulation of 
"rest-and-digest" or "feed and breed"[2] 
activities that occur when the body is at rest, especially after eating, 
including sexual arousal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_arousal, 
salivation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salivation, lacrimation 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tears (tears), urination 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urination, digestion 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digestion and defecation 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defecation. Its action is described as being 
complementary to that of the sympathetic nervous system 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathetic_nervous_system, which is responsible 
for stimulating activities associated with the fight-or-flight response 

  (Sorry for my inaccurate wording. As I've told before, I'm a "grammarian", 
certainly not a "semantician"!)

 * locative (in, at, on, into, etc) singular from naaDii


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