Sal, what you are saying was narrowly true not necessarily about spirituality but more specifically within TM community culture. Actually, the last couple of years has seen an evolution/Revolution of the mental health policy of TM to where now the practice of ™ no longer solves all problems, and that as people may experience mental health breaks folks are now directed to actively seek 'best practices' of modern scientific professional mental health practitioners. As much as some critics are quite certain the movement will never change, the movement did change in fundamental ways on this. Even now the movement .org is still working on the mechanisms of support and implementation of this. There is a lot of concern about all of this out of a real concern and compassion for people and how to better get it. There was quite an about-face on mental health coming from the highest levels on this. In some really deep empathy and compassion there was a lot of time and conscious thought put into integrating where meditation practice (™) sits within what is now developing as the larger (scientific) field of integrative medicine. Meditation is a relative bit player in that. You can see the ™ mental health policy is within this university page on mental illness. Take an active look at it ..
Other people worked directly on it but I have been in a whole lot of meetings the last couple of years on this whole topic and can admire the work that was done on this thus far to get it. JaiGuruDev. Interestingly, in modern mental health practice even the AMA has become more integrative in its best practices including prescriptive recommendations for a balance of meditation along with counseling, allopathic medical, and healthy conscious eating and circadian active living in remedy. The total person. The TM movement’s mental health policy was likewise brought up recently to be science-based integrative too. Was remarkable to see this grasped by the new TM movement and brought into modern TM movement policy incorporating the range of best practices. Culture and policy changes intertwined in time.. Understanding Mental Illness and Treatment http://portals.mum.edu/Customized/uploads/guidelines-for-mental-health.html http://portals.mum.edu/Customized/uploads/guidelines-for-mental-health.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <salsunshineini...@gmail.com> wrote : FWIW, they’ve tried “spiritual” solutions to young kids having problems at the MSAE, and the result has been utter disaster, with the list of mental issues and suicides long. Much longer than from the regular HS, which has a lot more students. The opportunity for abuse of these kids and of minimization of the issues they’re dealing with is huge. They’ve now, I understand, make more traditional solutions available, but I’m sure much of the stigma is still there. The people pushing “spiritual” solutions seem to be utterly clueless, sometimes willfully so. A few of them don’t even have kids themselves, have no idea of what teenage/young adult issues can entail, with almost any kid, and how best to handle it. “Just meditate” is like a real slap in the face and a mockery of what mediation can do, and it isn’t a substitute for talk therapy or just simply talk. I see some of these administrators (or former admins) who were in charge when many of the kids who later killed themselves were in school, still walking around like self-important big-shots. Sal On Sep 23, 2016, at 7:35 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com mailto:steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Not sure if this related to what you are referring to, but mainstream psychology is, I believe, completely clueless about spiritual experiences, and spiritual development, and how they may pertain to "issues" one might be having. Just another reason why it would help to help to have a support group, or a professional who is more dialed in to that area of life. But, but, as a practical matter, and especially in a university setting, anyone who is having any sort of issue along these lines, i.e. mental instability would best be advised to seek the prevailing treatments, both because they can work in many cases, and for matters of liability. Spiritual solutions remain more in the realm of mystery, and rely more on one sorting things out oneself, or as I said, with the benefit of a teacher, or others who have tread that path. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Yes, as breath is also intimate to the heart and subtle system it seems that working on alignment of these subtle energy systems of the spiritual nervous system is a lot of where so many of the meditating community have gone on to. I have been going to these planning meetings with various movement people and it is pretty clear that some of those still narrowly vested in the strict ™ consciousness paradigm don’t really get where people have gone in their spiritual experience. More recently with the opening up of mental health policy inside TM, some clinical thinkers are moving to the direction of ‘integral’ medicine but that only goes to incorporating cognitive modality as their means of getting to the heart of spiritual problems. That is okay as one modality. The communal satsang of the old meditating community evidently has cultivated other experience with it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote : I am predicting that breath, or prana will at some point, become a focus of western medicine. Probably before interest in something like energy centers takes hold. The Upanishads, in particular, talk about the different breaths, and the functions they perform. Breath may be something people can understand better than say, chakras. Another area which has little or no public awareness is that of sexual energy, and how it pertains to overall health and mental acuity, at least as I see it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : M stopped talking much about it publicly at points when faced with an intellectual skepticism about these energy centers: ‘Thin lines of energy flowing in the central nervous system? ’ Where exactly? Comparing to the science then at that time growing on 'consciousness' defined by meditation then to also describe and defend a subtle system which science has yet to be able to even image would be daunting at best given where people and science was at in time. But clearly it was where he was going in his teachings and methods even to his last techniques in marma, vibrational modalities and the Ved and Physiology practice. The guy was a visionary, sage, empiricist and necessarily practical going forward. We don't have so much guidance coming out of TM about it other than ideas of stress release and meditation checking so people over the years have also gone on in their experience. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote : Yes, thanks for the reply. I do believe that spiritual development is a tricky endeavor, and that complications can arise, either due to an awakening of kundalini, or just an expanding of awareness. I suppose it is helpful to have a support network to help sort things out, and lend a helping hand if necessary. Of course, like anything, you can carried away by too much analysis, which can lead to mood making and other weird diversions . Always difficult to find the right balance. Still sorting that out in my own life ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Yep, regardless of which meditation or spiritual practice some people can have trouble with kundalini flow (subtle energy centers) as their spirituality comes on or grows. Evidently it is not by meditation necessarily but also occurs separately for some various people as kundalini development in the central subtle nervous system. Able to surface at any point as the spiritual system may grow, sometimes in the new spiritual aspirant or in long practiced or cultivated people. This as its own continuum is different from the consciousness ‘awakening’ continuum that gets focused on in the TM community or at Rick’s batgap, but can have its own development to talk about on continuum different than consciousness development. In satsang around Fairfield, Iowa people can surface periodically with troubles in the flow of their Kundalini subtle system. This is particularly different than say psychological breaks like bi-polar and such. It was not something we were much guided in but there is a cohort of intuitive people and experienced people round who can be helpful to folks whose subtle systems are in rough times and not integrated enough in some ways to be easier with being a conduit for evidently more primordial energy referred to as kundalini, or the holy-ghost in x-ianity. It can be a topic of conversation around Fairfield on different levels. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote : an particulars in this regard? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : In TM we did not get much guidance on this but those are interesting sutras to use. My wife in community work as an RN, being intuitive, and being an old meditation teacher has been running into some people who are amidst some openings of kundalini. That has its spiritual reality for some people which in some ways is also physiologic to the human psycho-spiritual system. . Card’s sequence of sutras as energy centers that are in the YS may well be relevant. Also it seems was where Maharishi was going with his last technique, the Ved and Physiology technique. The sutras like that Ved and Physiology process can be handy to energetically reference; along with some kind of mindful intent like these kind of directives in the yoga sutras in checking of the flow for some people in their mists and rough with it all. Some things sort of like in point 30 of the old checking notes, if you remember those. Going to these YS chapters and verse are like going back to reading my tractor repair manual for figuring out my tractor’s ignition system that just went haywire. 10th cranial nerve? Sometimes you just have to go sit and attend to it under a shade tree. But figure it out also by going to an old tractor mechanic who has more experience with it. ultrarishi offers: You might be interested in the work of Stephen Porges and his Polyvagal Theory. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : "..the physiological counterpart of kuurma-naaDii might well be the vagus nerve, which is the main parasympathetic nerve," In the human, who is the highest expression of God on earth, it is the vagus or tenth cranial nerve that is the most receptive to this solar fire or energy, the spiritual fire coming down, the fire of the macrocosm. This fire energizes humans and uses them to express the qualities of love and wisdom. =Charlie Lutes ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <hepa7@...> wrote : Number 5, at least in my set (English: BT?), is the one that seems to correspond YS III 31: kuurma-naaDyaaM* sthairyam. Some translations: kUrmanaaDyaaM sthairyam [HA]: Calmness Is Attained By Samyama On The Bronchial Tube. [IT]: (32): (By performing Samyama) on the Kurma-nadi steadiness. [VH]: On the tortoise duct (tortoise), steadiness. [BM]: From perfect discipline of the “tortoise vein,” one’s being becomes steady. [SS]: (32): By samyama on the kurma nadi (a subtle tortoise-shaped tube located below the throat), motionless in the meditative posture is achieved. [SP]: (32) By making samyama on the tube within the chest, one acquires absolute motionlessness. [SV]: (32): On the nerve called Kurma (comes) fixity of the body. --------- I used to think that the "oiling" of joints, less tight muscles and harder *rections after doing siddhis was mainly due to flying, but now it seems to me the main culprit might well be actually the BT above, after doing it a couple of times in isolation, or whatever. It seems to me the physiological counterpart of kuurma-naaDii might well be the vagus nerve, which is the main parasympathetic nerve, I believe. Wiki: The parasympathetic system is responsible for stimulation of "rest-and-digest" or "feed and breed" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasympathetic_nervous_system#cite_note-2 activities that occur when the body is at rest, especially after eating, including sexual arousal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_arousal, salivation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salivation, lacrimation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tears (tears), urination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urination, digestion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digestion and defecation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defecation. Its action is described as being complementary to that of the sympathetic nervous system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathetic_nervous_system, which is responsible for stimulating activities associated with the fight-or-flight response https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight-or-flight_response. (Sorry for my inaccurate wording. As I've told before, I'm a "grammarian", certainly not a "semantician"!) * locative (in, at, on, into, etc) singular from naaDii