Yes, of course.  Men too.  When I first started in my business, I would wear a 
dress paints, jacket, button shirt and tie.  Then I graduated to  just a dress 
pants, and button down shirt.  I was pretty much following the lead of my 
customers.  Now it is polo type shirt during warm weather, and pullover type 
polo during cold weather.  I mention that because the button down shirt allowed 
me hide a little extra weight better than the polos. 

 My wife successfully just lost some extra weight that she had put on.  Feels 
really good about it.  And yes, she was much more self conscious about the 
extra weight than I am.  And yes, it affected how she dressed, etc.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

 You can't always tell from pictures. Women have a way of hiding it.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 Okay, from her. No problem. The picture during that time doesn't appear to 
show a massive weight gain, so, as I said, that changes things.  I can see 
where that amount of weight gain would bug someone like Trump, but, for 
practical purposes, I'd say it was in the range of acceptable for her position 
and title. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

 I told you where it came from: Machado herself. I wondered, initially, whether 
you had some documented evidence--e.g., a record of one of her weigh-ins--for 
the 60-pound figure. In which case there would have been no "gotcha" or 
correction, would there? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 Ya know....maybe one day you will learn to converse like a normal person 
instead of being locked in to this, "gotcha" "corrector" mode. 

 Obviously I was mistaken.  That does happen, perhaps not to you.
 

 Thank you for correcting this misperception on my part.  It does change things.
 
Do you mind revealing from whence this number came?
 

 Thank you again.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


 




























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