Yes, the majority consensus of people who screw up and embarrass themselves when they get in an argument with me, as you've done so often. No surprise there.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote : You're pretty weird, Judy, and live in weird world where you twist things around to suit your needs. Nothing new, of course, but pretty much makes normal dialog with you impossible. Of course that's been the consensus for as long as you've been on these groups. At least the majority consensus. But, as a study of certain kind of twisted dysfunctionality, you are interesting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote : P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote : Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the horse's mouth, as it were. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote : I picked up this number from buzz on the internet. If you have something more accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you are capable of such. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote : I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote : Thanks, Sal, for your reply. This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not rushing off to work. But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done. But, given the state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, an expectation along these lines. That's all I'm saying. Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say. Our culture is so dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way. More comments later, I think. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote : Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet? Do you have any idea of what it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry? Not to mention whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment in the sun. Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances. But when someone’s “investment” is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to be the stuff of science fiction. The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception. She most likely just started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick. Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year. Sal On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for that title. There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would think would go along with that role. Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?