In Yahoo News today, Bianna Golodriga addresses the same issues we're 
discussing here.  She fears that Trump might drag past issues with Bill 
Clinton's indiscretions and blame Hillary for these in the next debate.  If he 
does, we wonder how the American public will react to it.  Will he keep his 
mouth shut or take Rudy Giuliani's unsolicited advice?

 Whatever the case will be, these presidential debates will apparently become 
entertaining, as well as an academic study on how NOT to lose an American 
election during the digital age and the internet.

---In, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Please John,if Trump despises foreigners, Muslims and women, then Hillary 
loves Jihadists.
 You're making a blanket statement.
 Trump wants our borders and immigration laws respected. He wants people from 
areas of conflict, better vetted before immigrating here,.so do tens of 
millions and maybe hundreds of millions of Americans.

 How do you know he doesn't like women that don't fit his criteria of beauty? A 
lot of money was wasted/waisted naming Machodo Miss Universe and she didn't 
live up to the image expected.
 The feud between Trump and Rosie goes way back. That doesn't mean he doesn't 
like and admire other women.

 I guess, if you don't like a person, that person can then say you hate 
everyone like them in their demographic, whatever it is. If you don't like 
Obama, then it must be because you're a racist. His ideology would have 
absolutely nothing to do with it, right?
 Fat shaming? I don't know how a three hundred pound man can seriously  shame 
anyone's weight. I guess that gives Hillary the *fat* vote.

 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" <>
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....


 Trump is acting just as his jyotish chart is showing.  He despises foreigners, 
particularly Mexicans and Muslims.  He does not like women who does not fit his 
criteria for beauty.  Thus, he "fat shames" Rosie O'Donnell, the comedian, and 
Alicia Machado, the former Miss Universe.  In short, he has a very powerful 
Shakti Yoga, as Hitler did, which can negatively affect the entire US 
population, if he gets elected.



---In, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Hillary looked fantastic on the debate stage, while Trump looked like some old 
guy you might see in a corner of a bar somewhere, talking too loudly and 
generally being a boor. Hillary was sharp and poised, completely in charge of 
her material and her emotions. 


*Fantastic*? No, she really looked smug and arrogant.She is already very 
*unlikable*. That did not help her public image. 

 From: feste37 <>
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

   Actually, I support the female candidate. 


---In, <authfriend@...> wrote :

 When push comes to shove, the men here are going to support the male 



 ---In, <emily.mae50@...> wrote :

 Christ, listen to yourself.  

---In, <> wrote :

 And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 

---In, <authfriend@...> wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 



 ---In, <authfriend@...> wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 



 ---In, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.

---In, <authfriend@...> wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 



 ---In, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.

 More comments later, I think.

---In, <salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.




On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] <> wrote:

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?






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