Grooming the spiritual ego, is John Douglas teaching his “elite” people to channel?
John Douglas seems one thing as an adept but would one want just some layperson who has paid $100,000 to be with John Douglas to lay hands on you? # FW: Talks on Spiritual v Spiritism: David R. Hawkins - Don't Waste Time Exploring The Astral Domains https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fLw7uYCJHM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fLw7uYCJHM David R. Hawkins - The Temptation of Power https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhDizXOiaEc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhDizXOiaEc David R. Hawkins - The Lower Astral Seeks To Subvert Truth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvJJZCYu2n4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvJJZCYu2n4 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : Asking around, more FF satsanga notes.. "These are cultivated people caught up in this, these are people who have meditated a lot, long and hard. Meditation. It is such a fascinating thing to see someone struggling in this way because this black magician guy showed up. The guy’s honey-ied words, like the devil. You think of Jesus in the wilderness, it is offered, everything is offered. You could be king of the world. You could have everything you want, by a powerful super driven black magician, whatever you want to call that." " ‘My’ power, mine. ‘I’ can do these things. That is what this guy apparently languages. I am going to show you, the ‘I’ meaning him. ‘I’ am going to show you the meaning of life. ‘I’ am going to open your consciousness to Divine Love. “I” can? “I” can open *your* consciousness to divine love? Warning! Warning! " "Like spiritual hooks in the fabric of the system..It isn’t like it isn’t real but what is its significance as things in the subtle astral body system are releasing is only to get beyond them and the power of their influence. But they can become seductive when you have these experiences whether it is these powers, or anything that is going to groom the spiritual ego. It is just ego." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : No, it seems the guy is elsewhere and some people here found out about him by word of mouth and the internet and went to his programs. It sounded like he is on the West coast. I don’t think he has been to Fairfield. This it seems has created some turmoil here and goofed some long time meditators up with his influence. Though it all seems a good reflection discerning about what is a “number one” spiritual experience along the way. Interesting too about Cohen. Thanks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <r...@searchsummit.com> wrote : Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re:Disordered 'Spiritual' narcissism: 'He said he could do what he wanted': the scandal that rocked Bikram yoga >I was thinking of Andrew Cohen and neo-advaitas you have had on batgap. You >kind of gave them their ropes to let them hang themselves.. A lot of >spiritual ego by example. I recently took Cohen’s interview down, because I had taken down another two interviews by a rather popular Advaita teacher whom we discovered (through credible feedback from the victim) had drugged and raped a girl between her ages of 14-16 when he was 40ish, back in the early ‘80’s. His students were complaining that it was unfair that I had taken him down and left Cohen up. I had done so because what Cohen had done wasn’t illegal, and was also well-known now. >This more recent thing I didn't get the name on. The people sitting around a >table at Revelations were being real guarded to not get anyone in trouble but >it was an active concern of theirs. I just listened some and asked questions >a little and wrote some notes. It was interesting spiritual satsanga. -FFL > So some guy in FF is engaging in sexual tantra with multiple partners and some sort of soul-swapping black magic? That’s what you’re saying? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <r...@searchsummit.com mailto:r...@searchsummit.com> wrote : Who is this?: recently watched Rick Archer let one NPD'ed hang out to dry in his Batgap interviews And this?: From the spiritual sexual tantra kind of encounter with him, this scandalous man, this ne'er-do-well, .. takes people around and puts them into other people’s bodies. Bad. This guy facilitates that, he is like a black magician.” From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 2:33 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re:Disordered 'Spiritual' narcissism: 'He said he could do what he wanted': the scandal that rocked Bikram yoga More Satanga, “Spiritual egos..They are feeders, they are particular narcissists, they need the energy of others for validation. They don’t have much. Their spiritual identification is about the ego. That is the level of their identification spiritually. It isn’t Self but it, the identification has sufficient juice. So this guy has the ability to give these people these very flashy experiences that have embedded in them extremely pleasurable bliss experiences. This is very very bad. People get excited, people did. So people give themselves over. By the nature of the bliss experiences people start abdicating power. Yikes!” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : More FF Satsanga this morning: "Really Maharishi did not prepare us for this. ..Really the only thing was handed out to us as the sheet of the one discourse from Guru Dev [Brahmananda Saraswati] about trading a soul for the price of a lump of spinach. That was really it and not much was said about that other than to say Guru Dev was talking about dabbling in spiritism like in this context." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : ..Maharishi told people to think the mantra at those times. In the old times, on India courses his talking with people and about this astral stuff and that kind of thing. Yeah but that did not come down here. He did not teach about it. And we actually have a problem here. This is something some should know about. You got people who are dabbling in this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : Notes.. Q: Does this make sense to these people? A lot of this is already known. A: “It is hard when you have an incredibly gorgeous thrilling experience around this guy, this ‘healer’, and there is part of it that wants more of it. ..But the cost of it is all this other crazy stuff with him and then putting themselves back together again.” “All this stuff, this thing in their travels out with this guy, that someone was Queen Elizabeth in a past life, so? Like, what are you doing now?” “So a resolution, is going away from it..” Bhairitu writes: The process described is like what is taught in "remote influencing" as researched by people like Ingo Swann and his students as well as researched by the military. And they warn against it because one could accidentally take on the bad traits of the target. A lot of this stuff is actually very simple but people would have never thought to try it. It's true use was to help someone, generally helping them feel better. These methods were not part though of my tantric training which used siddhis. Influencing there was only to be used as a defense method. More from the FF Satsanga, “..The obsession with #1 ‘spiritual’ experiences is opening people up to this. Consciousness meditation aside, people are looking for 'experiences’.” “..Someone in the Dome was sharing, giving experience about this guy as a #1 experience. From the spiritual sexual tantra kind of encounter with him, this scandalous man, this ne'er-do-well, .. takes people around and puts them into other people’s bodies. Bad. This guy facilitates that, he is like a black magician.” “On the Humboldt courses, one of Maharishi’s Brahmacharyam came trotting directly out into the lecture hall confronting someone.., “Don’t you ever do that!” for crossing over into other people’s minds and thoughts.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com mailto:dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : As a melting pot or crucible, Fairfield,Iowa has long been a crossroad stop on the spiritual circuit that draws seekers, and want-to-be ‘teachers’, lecturers, and gurus. In Conversation more recently of the Fairfield Coffee Haus Satsanga: “..He says, “I know what I am doing, I am the Guru, I am a master”, very bold, “I am the one, I will help you, I will do this for you, I do this out of love and to inform you. Let me do this for you.” Apparently he spends so much time in this astral realm that he has real difficulty in living. He has got these people that he engages in with this spiritual sex, it is extremely highly charged and errotically charged with these so called unity experiences and then he creates this kind of dependency that is predation. He is doing it to men and women, there is a part of it that is monstrous. You can see why they felt their only recourse was to shut down. ..When you hear language like that it is time to turn around and look. # ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com mailto:dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : The Spiritual Ego, Unprepared for if and when it occurs, it is very seductive someone saying, “I am a powerful one”, “I can do it for you”, and “I am a guru”. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com mailto:dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : Yep, interesting observation about the cultural gap. A cultural difference for Indian Gurus and such coming to the West might be that behavior is not just ‘karma’ but also judged by or held up to The Golden Rule and the first amendment (bill of rights) of the US Constitution, cultural sensibilities about ethics and morality that are not tempered in the same way as elsewhere. emichael108 adds: maharishi said once: you can do what you want, but you have to bear all the consequences of your doing. Eustace writes: (of Bikram..) There is not question about the guy's narcissism, I think, however, that there is the issue of the culture gap here. He wouldn't have imagined that the jury would try to bankrupt him for issues that were not even criminal. But this is the United States... I always thought that Maharishi was wise to establish his base in Europe. You never know what they might have found even on him. My 2 cents. . # ..words do inflict psychic, emotional and sometimes lead to other kinds of injuries. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com mailto:dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : It is okay that folks understand what happened, that process prevailed and people are in better place now to make better use of their talents. Hopefully the US Constitution can withstand the gaslighting narcissisms of its President now. Topically, NPR had this item on its web page the other day.. Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD). People with this condition often show some of the following characteristics, according to Psychology Today https://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder: · Grandiosity, a lack of empathy for other people and a need for admiration · They believe they are superior or may deserve special treatment · They seek excessive admiration and attention, and struggle with criticism or defeat https://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder https://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder srijau writes: You are really self-indulging here in a lot of misguided judgemental-ism and triumphalism. Show a little more grace and discretion and care for the unity of the community. You are the one being ugly and crass here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com mailto:dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : Several years ago we had some narcissistic disordered ‘spiritual’ people visit FFL, we also had some people who had been in some of the infamous spiritual groups with NPD’ed leaders share perspective on their experience, and more recently watched Rick Archer let one NPD'ed hang out to dry in his Batgap interviews. In the last couple of years I was glad for the insight which people here on FFL gave throughout in their critique and takedown of the ‘spiritual’ ND’edPersonality. Some of that insight was helpful in the process that brought the change of leadership to the University here. In some of the discussion here on FFL it was pointed out that narcissists will fall down when their practical performance in life is actually looked at. ..That organizations or groups can protect themselves from the ND’edPerson by having clarity in missions, job descriptions and performance evaluation. ..the bigger the narcissist the harder the fall that can come. Performance is basically what turned the president here out in that case. What were more formative values to the group guided and prevailed in the process by looking at all the metrics of performance. It became pretty clear that a change of leadership was needed for the essential survival of the group. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com mailto:dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : Jeezus X-mas, so much unbridled narcissism. The (Bikram) cat should have a bell hung on it when it goes out into the garden.. This evidently is the age of narcissism, ..words do inflict psychic, emotional and sometimes lead to other kinds of injuries. Entitlement and Hate Speech reined in, under the law explained.. http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2017/02/20/hate-speech-law http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2017/02/20/hate-speech-law GREAT article for insight.. eustace10679 writes: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/feb/18/bikram-hot-yoga-scandal-choudhury- https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/feb/18/bikram-hot-yoga-scandal-choudhury-what-he-wanted