Grooming the spiritual ego, is John Douglas teaching his “elite” people to 

 John Douglas seems one thing as an adept but would one want just some 
layperson who has paid $100,000 to be with John Douglas to lay hands on you?


 FW: Talks on Spiritual v Spiritism:

 David R. Hawkins - Don't Waste Time Exploring The Astral Domains 

 David R. Hawkins - The Temptation of Power

 David R. Hawkins - The Lower Astral Seeks To Subvert Truth


---In, <> wrote :

 Asking around, more FF satsanga notes.. 

 "These are cultivated people caught up in this, these are people who have 
meditated a lot, long and hard.  Meditation. It is such a fascinating thing to 
see someone struggling in this way because this black magician guy showed up.  
The guy’s honey-ied words, like the devil. 
 You think of Jesus in the wilderness, it is offered, everything is offered. 
You could be king of the world. You could have everything you want, by a 
powerful super driven black magician, whatever you want to call that."


 " ‘My’ power, mine. ‘I’ can do these things. That is what this guy apparently 
languages. I am going to show you, the ‘I’ meaning him.  ‘I’ am going to show 
you the meaning of life. ‘I’ am going to open your consciousness to Divine 
Love. “I” can? “I” can open *your* consciousness to divine love?  
 Warning! Warning! "   

 "Like spiritual hooks in the fabric of the system..It isn’t like it isn’t real 
but what is its significance as things in the subtle astral body system are 
releasing is only to get beyond them and the power of their influence. But they 
can become seductive when you have these experiences whether it is these 
powers, or anything that is going to groom the spiritual ego. It is just ego." 

---In, <> wrote :

 No, it seems the guy is elsewhere and some people here found out about him by 
word of mouth and the internet and went to his programs. It sounded like he is 
on the West coast. I don’t think he has been to Fairfield. 
 This it seems has created some turmoil here and goofed some long time 
meditators up with his influence. Though it all seems a good reflection 
discerning about what is a “number one” spiritual experience along the way.

Interesting too about Cohen. Thanks. 

---In, <> wrote :

 Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re:Disordered 'Spiritual' narcissism: 'He said he 
could do what he wanted': the scandal that rocked Bikram yoga

 >I was thinking of Andrew Cohen and neo-advaitas you have had on batgap.  You 
 >kind of gave them their ropes to let them hang themselves.. A lot of 
 >spiritual ego by example. 
 I recently took Cohen’s interview down, because I had taken down another two 
interviews by a rather popular Advaita teacher whom we discovered (through 
credible feedback from the victim) had drugged and raped a girl between her 
ages of 14-16 when he was 40ish, back in the early ‘80’s. His students were 
complaining that it was unfair that I had taken him down and left Cohen up. I 
had done so because what Cohen had done wasn’t illegal, and was also well-known 

 >This more recent thing I didn't get the name on.  The people sitting around a 
 >table at Revelations were being real guarded to not get anyone in trouble but 
 >it was an active concern of theirs. I just listened some and asked questions 
 >a little and wrote some notes. It was interesting spiritual satsanga.   -FFL  
 So some guy in FF is engaging in sexual tantra with multiple partners and some 
sort of soul-swapping black magic? That’s what you’re saying?

<> wrote :
 Who is this?: recently watched Rick Archer let one NPD'ed hang out to dry in 
his Batgap interviews
 And this?: From the spiritual sexual tantra kind of encounter with him, this 
scandalous man, this ne'er-do-well, .. takes people around and puts them into 
other people’s bodies.  Bad.  This guy facilitates that, he is like a black 
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 2:33 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re:Disordered 'Spiritual' narcissism: 'He said he 
could do what he wanted': the scandal that rocked Bikram yoga

  More Satanga,  
 “Spiritual egos..They are feeders, they are particular narcissists, they need 
the energy of others for validation. They don’t have much. Their spiritual 
identification is about the ego.  That is the level of their identification 
spiritually. It isn’t Self but it, the identification has sufficient juice. 

 So this guy has the ability to give these people these very flashy experiences
 that have embedded in them extremely pleasurable bliss experiences.
 This is very very bad.  People get excited, people did.  
 So people give themselves over.  By the nature of the bliss experiences people 
 abdicating power.  Yikes!” 

---In, <> wrote :

 More FF Satsanga this morning:

 "Really Maharishi did not prepare us for this. 

..Really the only thing was handed out to us as the sheet of the one discourse 
from Guru Dev [Brahmananda Saraswati] about trading a soul for the price of a 
lump of spinach. That was really it and not much was said about that other than 
to say Guru Dev was talking about dabbling in spiritism like in this context." 

---In, <> wrote :

 ..Maharishi told people to think the mantra at those times. In the old times, 
on India courses his talking with people and about this astral stuff and that 
kind of thing.  Yeah but that did not come down here. He did not teach about 
it.  And we actually have a problem here.  This is something some should know 
about. You got people who are dabbling in this.


---In, <> wrote :

 Q: Does this make sense to these people?  A lot of this is already known.
 A:  “It is hard when you have an incredibly gorgeous thrilling experience 
around this guy, this ‘healer’, and there is part of it that wants more of it.  
 ..But the cost of it is all this other crazy stuff with him and then putting 
themselves back together again.” 

 “All this stuff, this thing in their travels out with this guy, that someone 
was Queen Elizabeth in a past life, so?  Like, what are you doing now?”

 “So a resolution, is going away from it..”

 Bhairitu writes:

The process described is like what is taught in "remote influencing" as 
researched by people like Ingo Swann and his students as well as researched by 
the military.  And they warn against it because one could accidentally take on 
the bad traits of the target.  A lot of this stuff is actually very simple but 
people would have never thought to try it.  It's true use was to help someone, 
generally helping them feel better. 

These methods were not part though of my tantric training which used siddhis.  
Influencing there was only to be used as a defense method.



 More from the FF Satsanga, 
 “..The obsession with #1 ‘spiritual’ experiences is opening people up to this. 
Consciousness meditation aside, people are looking for 'experiences’.”
 “..Someone in the Dome was sharing, giving experience about this guy as a  #1 
experience.  From the spiritual sexual tantra kind of encounter with him, this 
scandalous man, this ne'er-do-well, .. takes people around and puts them into 
other people’s bodies.  Bad.  This guy facilitates that, he is like a black 
“On the Humboldt courses, one of Maharishi’s Brahmacharyam came trotting 
directly out into the lecture hall confronting someone..,   “Don’t you ever do 
that!” for crossing over into other people’s minds and thoughts.”

<> wrote :
 As a melting pot or crucible, Fairfield,Iowa has long been a crossroad stop on 
the spiritual circuit that draws seekers, and want-to-be ‘teachers’, lecturers, 
and gurus. 
 In Conversation more recently of the Fairfield Coffee Haus Satsanga: 
 “..He says, “I know what I am doing, I am the Guru, I am a master”, very bold, 
  “I am the one, I will help you,  I will do this for you, I do this out of 
love and to inform you.  Let me do this for you.”
 Apparently he spends so much time in this astral realm that he has real 
difficulty in living. 
 He has got these people that he engages in with this spiritual sex, it is 
extremely highly charged and errotically charged with these so called unity 
experiences and then he creates this kind of dependency that is predation. He 
is doing it to men and women, there is a part of it that is monstrous.  You can 
see why they felt their only recourse was to shut down.   
 ..When you hear language like that it is time to turn around and look.



<> wrote :
 The Spiritual Ego,
 Unprepared for if and when it occurs,
 it is very seductive someone saying,  “I am a powerful one”, “I can do it for 
you”, and “I am a guru”.


<> wrote :
 Yep, interesting observation about the cultural gap.  A cultural difference 
for Indian Gurus and such coming to the West might be that behavior is not just 
‘karma’ but also judged by or held up to The Golden Rule and the first 
amendment (bill of rights) of the US Constitution, cultural sensibilities about 
ethics and morality that are not tempered in the same way as elsewhere. 



 emichael108 adds:


 maharishi said once:

you can do what you want,
but you have to bear all the 
consequences of your doing.


 Eustace writes:


 (of Bikram..) There is not question about the guy's narcissism, I think, 
however, that there is the issue of the culture gap here. He wouldn't have 
imagined that the jury would try to bankrupt him for issues that were not even 
criminal. But this is the United States...

 I always thought that Maharishi was wise to establish his base in Europe. You 
never know what they might have found even on him.

My 2 cents.



..words do inflict psychic, emotional and sometimes lead to other kinds of 


<> wrote :
 It is okay that folks understand what happened, that process prevailed and 
people are in better place now to make better use of their talents. 
 Hopefully the US Constitution can withstand the gaslighting narcissisms of its 
President now.
 Topically, NPR had this item on its web page the other day..
 Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD).
 People with this condition often show some of the following characteristics, 
according to Psychology Today
 ·         Grandiosity, a lack of empathy for other people and a need for 
 ·         They believe they are superior or may deserve special treatment
 ·         They seek excessive admiration and attention, and struggle with 
criticism or defeat


 srijau writes:

 You are really self-indulging here in a lot of misguided judgemental-ism and 
triumphalism. Show a little more grace and discretion and care for the unity of 
the community. You are the one being ugly and crass here.

<> wrote :
 Several years ago we had some narcissistic disordered ‘spiritual’ people visit 
FFL, we also had some people who had been in some of the infamous spiritual 
groups with NPD’ed leaders share perspective on their experience, and more 
recently watched Rick Archer let one NPD'ed hang out to dry in his Batgap 
 In the last couple of years I was glad for the insight which people here on 
FFL gave throughout in their critique and takedown of the ‘spiritual’ 
ND’edPersonality. Some of that insight was helpful in the process that brought 
the change of leadership to the University here. 
 In some of the discussion here on FFL it was pointed out that narcissists will 
fall down when their practical performance in life is actually looked at. 
..That organizations or groups can protect themselves from the ND’edPerson by 
having clarity in missions, job descriptions and performance evaluation. ..the 
bigger the narcissist the harder the fall that can come.  
 Performance is basically what turned the president here out in that case. What 
were more formative values to the group guided and prevailed in the process by 
looking at all the metrics of performance. It became pretty clear that a change 
of leadership was needed for the essential survival of the group.       

<> wrote :
 Jeezus X-mas, so much unbridled narcissism.
 The (Bikram) cat should have a bell hung on it when it goes out into the 
 This evidently is the age of narcissism,
 ..words do inflict psychic, emotional and sometimes lead to other kinds of 

 Entitlement and Hate Speech reined in, under the law explained..


 GREAT article for insight.. 


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