Interesting point. That does become a different discussion, Jai the Guru in 
you? As an observation and acknowledgement there is a reality to that. But 
then, someone appears in some unclarified unqualified way impersonating a what, 
a TM ‘Raja’ on a public forum related to FAirfied and TM? Is that ethical? 
Legality might be different than what is ethical, spiritually.  

 In this thread it seems ‘ethical’ on a behavioral axis turns dependent on a 
spiritual hurt or help to one’s self or to others’. In consideration then this 
later discernment becomes relevant to ™ and the meditating community in 
Fairfield. -JaiGuruYou   


 rajawilliamsmith writes: "felt discernment" .When you say "You" instead of 
"Dev" in your letters is that ethical? 
---In, <> wrote :

 Yes, evidently the heart of spirituality is embodied in the Polyvagal and 
affected in its expression by spiritual practices such as meditation, culture 
and epigenetic stress. 
It seems that In an awake conscious life, as transcendentalists call this, ‘a 
life well lived’, that ethical behavior is felt primarily by whether behavior 
enhances or withers spiritual life.  That simple. A felt discernment of a whole 
of the spiritual human system of being. 
 yifuxero writes: 
 Thx, the development of the Polyvagal nervous system (physical representation 
of empathy and  compassion); appears to be (or can be) somewhat independent of 
the states of Consciousness mentioned by MMY.
 Thus, it does not necessarily follow that a person in (CC, UC....) is well 
developed in regard to empathy, compassion, and free from Narcissistic 


---In, <> wrote :

 Spirituality and the ‘Behavioral Axis’..

 FW: a narrative:

 “People in the meditating community are not by any means fully developed, I 
see dysfunctional, disrespectful behavior often in and out of the Dome. I see 
people having a lot of experience of CC (cosmic consciousness) who often do not 
behave like saints. I know of one man who says he went into CC in high school 
and is now full of GC, UC and BC experience and often reports them to IAA 
anonymously. I asked an employee of his what it was like to work for him. The 
employee said, "It's all about him." and “That saint does not know how to treat 
employees / people”. My spouse is a friend of the  wife, and told me that the 
saint's wife said more or less the same thing about living with him. 

 Higher states of consciousness, and being on the path of them, is not all 
there is to sainthood or life. That's one thing that has become clear esp in 
the past years. There is the behavioral axis also. Ultimately, all is one, but 
in practice, these often need to be treated as two.  Otherwise, one ends in the 
mood-making soup. Administration needs to be skilled, and ‘sainthood’ 
appreciated and guided. “

---In, <> wrote :
 Despite their zeal, in perversity they perish. 
 Om how humankind blame the Divine Pitrs.  
 From us they say comes evil, 
 but through their own perversity are more than is their due 
 they meet with sorrow.
 Forewarned, for vengeance follows.

 The opening council, Paraphrasing, 
 -Homer, The Odyssey

---In, <> wrote :

 Communal Scruples? Asking around, apparently some individuals have been 
ejected from the movement community as sexual predators, copping conning 
abusing while using jyotish, or bullying a spiritual status on their victims. 
 Some number of years ago a flamboyant guy who infamously was preying on MSAE 
age girls was threatened with arrest by a father then who was an attorney and 
the guy subsequently left Fairfield.  
 Evidently more recently some guy who had been on Purusha was using jyotish and 
spiritual specialness to sexually predate young women and also conning money, 
the guy evidently was evicted from Utopia Park and kicked off campus. 
 Another longtime predator preying by specialness and general nuisance of the 
meditating community was purposely separated from the movement some long time 
ago is still separated and about.  
In more recent times a warning went out by e-mail around the meditating 
community about someone returning to town who had fleeced by con some lot of 
money from people in investment scams.   

---In, <> wrote :

 Would be, communal norms..

 Yifuxero writes:

 The definition of unconscionable = doing something you know to be wrong?  
Doesn't make sense.  ISIS killers are performing A-dharmic acts that they 
believe are right. Belief or unbelief in an action doesn't dictate the degree 
of Conscionable-ness.

 Conscionable = Dharmic?
 I'm still trying to figure out how/where King Tony became rich enough to 
purchase a beach-front property in FL.

---In, <> wrote :

 Evidently there are some communal scruples that can operate along the lines of 
the Golden Rule as members generally may become adversely affected by some 
criminally asocial behaviors inside or around the TM community. Though the 
processes may not necessarily appear transparent.  

---In, <> wrote :

 Conscionable ..
 Is there anything that is unconscionable, in TM?
 “Not right or reasonable”
 “Unreasonably excessive”
 M would advise us, “Never do that which you know to be wrong”.

 Are there things Reprehensible, in TM?
 Synonyms for Reprehensible:

 Acting, or wishing to act, according to one's conscience; habitually governed 
by a sense of what is right; scrupulous;.
 Of or relating to conscience or equity.
 Legally valid; equitable, just. Now also in weaker sense: justifiable, 

..A weak link possibly telegraphing that things might not have conscionably 
changed inside TM was the mayor of Maharishi Vedic City ginning up some numbers 
to imply to an outside remote listening audience that the population of M Vedic 
City and the number of pundits residing up there are both larger than what is 
closer to fact. 

---In, <> wrote :

 From Fairfield coffee house reviews today, about the 12 Jan community meeting 
folks were appreciative of Hagelin’s straight ahead report of how it was going 
for teaching of ™ in America, Craig’s talk of the University and Beall’s talk 
about the school.  
 ..Though while Hagelin and all were constrained in hyperbole, the Mayor of 
Vedic City evidently was not.   
 A weak link possibly telegraphing that things might not have conscionably 
changed inside was the mayor of Maharishi Vedic City ginning up some numbers to 
imply to an outside remote listening audience that the population of M Vedic 
City and the number of pundits residing up there are both larger than what is 
closer to fact. 
 ..Pinking up and seeming with a rush of true-believing while at the podium 
microphone this seemed an unfortunate confirmation.  
 ..As to what is up there in M Vedic City it is in fact enough extraordinary in 
itself that the MVC Mayor there really did not need to do what he tried. 
 ..Oh that they would know better by now than to foment any liability of lies 
and half-truths but instead could error more definitely on the side of the 
asset of honest truth.  
 Also from the Mayor of MVC's talk, he’d like to build a Maharishi 
Invincibility Tower there in MVC too. 

---In, <> wrote :

 It was a movement kind of meeting.  John Hagelin MC’ed the meeting in the Dome 
to sync up with the International meeting.   He started by giving a report on 
the condition of the teaching of ™ in the United States, that is something that 
he oversees.  
 The metrics are encouraging in numbers of active ™ teachers, numbers of new 
meditators, a group of new teachers who are in training, collaborative programs 
to teach people to meditate in corporations,  military, government and schools. 
 The University report included an explanation of the new regenerative 
agriculture program. The meeting moved on with international reports. 

 The cushioned power chairs on the stage in the Fairfield Dome held more women 
than usual though the powerful men who hold more of the controlling ownership 
in the movement were more likely over in Europe with the larger January 12 


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